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    #1

    Interesting EKI

    Check out item #52 on this page - http://blackcrossmilitaria.com/german5.htm

    That hinge setup is unlike any I've seen before, or any other 57 badge before! The '1939' date on the bottom is very faint, almost not even defined on the bottom of the '1'. Could it be a repop, repaired, or ? The catch looks like an early Deumer, of course, but I don't know the cores that well.

    It was already marked as sold so did anyone out here pull the trigger on it?

    PS they also had an EK2 listed on page 1 http://blackcrossmilitaria.com/german.htm but I don't believe case for a minute to be a legit 57 piece.
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    #2
    Originally posted by George L View Post
    did anyone out here pull the trigger on it?
    Deumer core. I could have gotten it but I think it's just a replaced pin. I was more interested in the EK2 with the case, but I didn't like the case and didn't want to pay so much for just the cross. But the core in the EK2 (item 1) is an interesting S&L style that I'm not used to seeing in EK2s, although Nigel may be. It was this style core:

    Best regards,
    Streptile

    Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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      #3
      It wasn't me although I like it.
      The first thing that came in my mind was Deumer.

      I can't comment on postwar crosses.
      But the needle with hinge I haven't seen on any wartime EK's or fakes of them.
      Looking at the material, I think the hinge and needle belong to each other.

      Deumer hinges are never been soldered very strong, so my guess is that the hinge has been broken off and replaced in a stronger construction.

      But than again it is strange that the old needle hasn't been used. Maybe lost?

      I have to admit that I don't like repairs on wartime items, but on new form items it just gives it some extra history.

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        #4
        Originally posted by LuckyLuudje View Post
        Deumer hinges are never been soldered very strong, so my guess is that the hinge has been broken off and replaced in a stronger construction.
        That was my guess. I had it on hold but let it go, same with the EK2. I suspect the EK1 was just repaired, which isn't that interesting to me, personally. Money's a bit tight at the moment and I just couldn't see loving either one of those items. Now, the EK2 without the case would've been something to buy!

        By the way the cased EK2 was $295 and the EK1 was (if I recall) about $185.

        Of note also is that now "second-tier" dealers are starting to really feature 57er items. The EK2 was item No. 1, and I know they organize their items with some foresight.

        Originally posted by LuckyLuudje View Post
        I can't comment on postwar crosses.
        You can probably stop saying this sometime in the near future, I think .
        Best regards,
        Streptile

        Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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          #5
          Originally posted by streptile View Post
          Of note also is that now "second-tier" dealers are starting to really feature 57er items. The EK2 was item No. 1, and I know they organize their items with some foresight..
          Many years ago I got the 57's for free in a grouping.
          I bought some items recently for very descent prices.
          But there a few Dealer that price common 57's very high.
          I see EK's (and not the ones I consider early) being sold for more than "real" EK's and sold in minutes!

          It seems the new form items are getting more and more popular.
          IMO this is a good development, 57's have always been under appriciated.
          But I never met a Dutch person collecting 57's. They just call me crazy if I ask for 57's.

          Originally posted by streptile View Post
          You can probably stop saying this sometime in the near future, I think .

          But owning postwar crosses doesn't mean that you have the knowledge.

          I also think you made a wise choice that you passed on the cased ek2!

          I never check this dealer, but he already sold most of his stuff.
          Seems he has a good business.

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            #6
            Yes, the 57's have been undervalued until recently. I think many collectors had the misconception that they were all poor quality, but as knowledge of the nice early pieces has come out, so has the demand, and hence prices going up. An example is the rare early mm's 57 EKII's will sell faster than their WW2 counterparts. Just sayin'...

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              #7
              57 prices are rapidly increasing as interest does. The old supply and demand law is in full swing. When I was into TR pieces I laughed at 57er's. Now they're the only items I consider collecting!

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                #8
                Originally posted by LuckyLuudje View Post
                I also think you made a wise choice that you passed on the cased ek2!
                I'm trying to be more prudent with my spending, but I did get one amazingly great and inexpensive item from that update -- not a '57er item. But oh, boy am I excited about it .
                Best regards,
                Streptile

                Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                  #9
                  For me the hinge and pin look like those found on some reproductions. Assume it's an early repaired example, imo it's been repaired with hardware from a fake EK1.

                  Regards
                  Mike
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                  Mike

                  Evaluate the item, not the story and not the seller's reputation!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Mike Kenny View Post
                    For me the hinge and pin look like those found on some reproductions. Assume it's an early repaired example, imo it's been repaired with hardware from a fake EK1.
                    Interesting thought, Mike. Sounds possible. Can you show a fake with a similar pin?
                    Best regards,
                    Streptile

                    Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                      #11
                      For when they disappear:




                      Best regards,
                      Streptile

                      Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by streptile View Post
                        Interesting thought, Mike. Sounds possible. Can you show a fake with a similar pin?
                        Not for another week or so due to work constraints.

                        Keep an eye out for 39er fakes and you'll probably see one in fairly short time.

                        Good idea to load the pics of the items in question so that the thread actually has some meaning in 6 months time!

                        Regards
                        Mike
                        Regards
                        Mike

                        Evaluate the item, not the story and not the seller's reputation!

                        If you PM/contact me without the courtesy of using your first name, please don't be offended if I politely ignore you!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by streptile View Post
                          I'm trying to be more prudent with my spending, but I did get one amazingly great and inexpensive item from that update -- not a '57er item. But oh, boy am I excited about it .
                          Now I am curious

                          Mike, I did check my fake files, but couldn't find one with this hardware.
                          (but I only save the dangerous fakes).
                          It would be interesting to see the cross behind this hardware.

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                            #14
                            It took me a while to work out what that EK1 was, a Deumer, with a replaced hinge and pin!
                            I've never seen that type of hinge before, maybe like Mike K. says its off a fake, strange anyway, and i agree with Luud, who i think it was said that hingeblocks rarely snap off altogether as this one seems to have!!
                            As for the EK2, its nice, but overpriced, i think you're just paying for the case!! So, no, i wont be buying!!!
                            sigpic 57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"

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