Early 57s ?

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[DavidM]

Hello

In my opinion most of these items look good, the only two bits I'm not keen on being the DKiG and the L/10 stamp marking, (although the award itself that carries the makers mark looks ok). The rest of the pieces look good, and I would say date from the early 1960's, (those with the solid based hinges), through to the late 1960's, and perhaps just into the early 1970's.

The clasp marked L/10 looks good to me, but the makers mark looks as if it has been added at some point after manufacturer - and anyway given the style of the hinge and pin and the back, why would any maker of the 57 items be stamping anything L/10, (which was the Third Reich mark for Deschler), in the mid to late 1960's ?

The DKiG I assume has a replacement pin, fashioned on the original Third Reich issue style. If the pin is not a replacement then the DK is not a 'genuine' 57 item. I'm not keen on this piece anyway as from what I can make out in the photos the red ring under the gold wreath appears to be the painted rather than the enamel type. If this is correct, then this makes the DK one of the later produced pieces, (I believe from anywhere around 1976 / 77 onwards), and these, as far as I am aware, virtually always have solid, domed rivets and not the hollow type as seen on yours. I have to say that I don't like the look of the rivets on it when seen in the close in photos - they don't match up to any other 57 DKs I have seen which are deemed to be 'genuine' 57 pieces, although maybe others have seen rivets like these on the DKs and can advise accordingly.

As I say, just my opinion, hopefully others will chime in as well. In the main, I like them and feel they are good 57 pieces.

Regards
David

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Thx

Thanks DavidM, nice to hear that its is ok 57s, ill try make some more detalied pic on the DKIG. i will be very happy if somebody can tell me the makers and maybee more specific about production year.

about the seeclaps, as i know they did use them under the 2ww but not by manufactures, the did make them self onbord the ships at that time, can it be a warmodel ? or did drescler make this model in 57 ?



cheers

[Peter Wiking]

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All the badges up to and including the Minesuchabzeichen appears to be genuine early badges.

The Flakabzeichen is of a modern production.

The "seaclasp" is more or less ruined by a fake marking that does not belong there. L/10 Deschler is not known to have produced any 1957 decorations.

The The DKG is no good at all. A modern one with low quality red enamel. Wrong needle. Reverse is rubbed with sandpaper or similar. Rivets drilled out.

Nahkampfspange appears to be genuine from the early years.

EK1 appears ok and from the 1960's. From what i can see in these photos, the condition is not good.

The Bandenkampfabzeichen is of a very modern production.



You have to work a bit more with your camera. The photos are dark, out of focus and colors are strange in places. Would be nice with better photos but no need for more photos on the DKG. That one is junk in my opinion.

All the best.
Peter