Discussion: 1914-1918 Imperial Orders Versus 1957 New Form Awards.

[Peter Wiking]

Here you go Tony. Thanks for asking.

[DavidM]

Hello

I have to say that I agree with both Uwe and Peter. Peter makes an excellent point in that his S&L produced WW1 EK1 is a replacement piece made for veterans and, it has to be said, collectors as anyone could buy these. However, as Peter says, because he knows what it is and when it was made, it presents no problems and is part of the history and manufacture of these awards.

Uwe is also correct when he says that the only items that should be given the title 57 re-issue are those which are referred to in the 1957 law, which are those that required re-making due to the appearance of a swastika on the originals. Therefore the post WW2 PLMs, like their post WW1 counterparts are again replacement pieces for veterans as well as supplying the market for collectors. The same, I believe, is true of the 57 re-issue pieces, in that anyone could buy them. The only exception was that WW2 veterans serving in the Bundswehr had to produce evidence of their entitlement to a 57 re-issue award before being able to wear it on their uniform.

Provided an item is accurately described, e.g. replacement, (official or re-issue), reproduction, replica etc then it is up to the collector as to what they buy. To me, and this is only my opinion, a fake is an item trying to be something that it never was, e.g. a post WW2 swastika'd knightscross being sold as an original award piece, (there are only two types of knightcross after WW2. The 57 re-issue version and reproduction / replicas of the WW2 ones with swastika. We are know even seeing reproduction / fake 57 pieces as well !!).

Anyway, just my opinion and thoughts on the subject.

Regards
David

[Tiger 1]

Thanks Peter,

I asked because I have a TR era S&L 1914 EKI with the pin marked both 4 and L/16.

If my memory serves me right it matches yours on the front while having wartime instead of '57 type fittings on the reverse. My 4 and L/16 double marked example matches the EKI on a S&L display copy of the 1914 Hindenburgstern that I have.

Interesting thread.

Tony

[Bob Hritz]

Did Steinhauer make a post WWII (57 type) 1914 Iron Cross 2nd Class? If so, where do I find one, to complete a set I am working on.

Thank you,
Bob Hritz

[George L]

Great food for thought this thread is after my original request for post-45 PLM's.

[erikofnorway]

Can someone tell me what is the value of 1914 EK I in 1957 model identical to the one Peter has posted above?

Erik

[CSForrester]

This last type is available on militaria321, please have a look....

http://www.militaria321.com/auktions...tionID=5038177

for 75,- Euro.

Regards CSForrester

[erikofnorway]

But that is a 1939 EKI!! I am talking about a 1914 EKI in 1957 version goes for.

Erik

[erikofnorway]

Backside of mine.