The type Lasse posted is a 100 % 90s production piece, no doupt about it. I can recodnise that crappy quality anywhere, since I have one just like it in my own collection.
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Antti -
ok, what do you think about this one? It´s looks a bit the same?! Similar to Lasse´s cross or?Originally posted by Blitz
/Peter
ref.:http://german-historica.com/cgi-loca...0193.jpg&ln=enComment
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how can you call the first cross "crappy quality?"Comment
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Judging by the details, it's the same type, allthough the paint-job leads me to believe that it could be a late 80s or early 90s piece. The most latest production is easy to sepparate from the rest since their cores were painted after the cross was assembled, witch is noticable between the core and the rim.
To answer schönbeck's question, maybe I was a bit harsh on calling it crappy. But my base of reference in awards is so wide that when compared to some awards, it's quality is indeed crappy. If you compare a late 57' to some of the current awards beign awarded throughout the world, the quality is good, even great. But If even if the level of quality is compared between early and late 57', the latters quality is poor. Even more so if the comparison is beign made between TR or God forbid, Imperial awards. Does that answer your question?AnttiComment
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Hi all,
from what i know (still learning ) when the change in the height of the acorns was made i think you will also notice the different shaping of the oak leaf cluster in the center of the cross changed shape / design as well.
AshleyComment
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I would say that Lasse's and jagdpanther's rks are 70's/ 80s editions. The core and it's paint quality are much better than later ones. First edition 57 rk had the oaks lower down and jag's picture of a 60s RK is interesting. Below is a picture from the German Government's official 1957 awards guideline document. The picture is not so good, but you can see the different oaks. I beleive that Harry has a similar one with the small oaks shown in the picture below. What shows in early RKs is the quality of the frame, which is that as used during the war. Some were leftovers, others where done using the same machinery.
It seems that from the 70's the oaks changed to the common one we know today.Comment
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Here is part of the description for the RK on the same document.Comment
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i got some important info, easy to test, earlier had magnetic core, most later not. This has a magnetic core. The paint is not painted when the cross was assembled.
what does that lead us to?Comment
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Peter, It could well be.Originally posted by jagdpanther...so why couldn´t Lasse´s cross be an early 60´s cross
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to my posted picture above. Ok, it´s a painting and not a close-up...but still..
/Peter
We have so little info on 57 awards that the whole area re: makers and dates etc. is a bit subjective at best.
In regard to 57 RK's - the first were made from left over 39 frames and had a core with low acorns. By the seventies these RK's were being made with new frames and cores with higher acorns.
When the cross over between cores took place no-one knows for certain.
This RK may well be of 60's manufacture but falls into the mid range issue due to the lower acorns.
Not a very satisfactory way of classifying an item to be sure and we need to do a lot more work on these items to accurately identify them properly.
Regards ...Comment
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thanks hagwaltler!
These two crosses sells by German Historica as "very nice early 1957 KC"
http://german-historica.com/cgi-loca...0_1_0193&ln=en
http://german-historica.com/cgi-loca...0_1_0741&ln=en
They look like the cross discussed here. What make they good and Lasse´s not?
The painting on the core is painted before putting together the frames.
/PeterComment
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Again, in my opinion, mid range issue (when actually made - no idea - I have one very similar) - but certainly not a cheaper and later 1980's version.Originally posted by jagdpanther
Regards
ChrisComment
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The Oakleaves seem to have a small 'o' to the left of the attachment 'paper clip' shown at 11 O'Clock above the RK ring. This looks like an early S+L makers mark which may give support to both items being of early manufacture.
Again, I'm guessing - I'll pass this on to others to comment.
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...difficult to collect RK57...too many guessing and less real facts...
I´ve been looking for an early (60´s/early 70´s) piece and it´s not easy to
find.
Any idea when the core started to be painted on a already framed cross? 80´s?
/PeterLast edited by jagdpanther; 08-09-2005, 07:26 AM.Comment
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Hi Schonbeck,
would this also apply to other classes ?? i.e 1st & 2nd class crosses ??
AshleyComment
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It seems that I was mistaken, not the first and not the last time.
The cross Lasse posted doesn't have any paint spilled over visable, so I agree with Henri. Propably 70's piece, but not later. All that glitter made it look younger..
Nobody can propable tell you a spesific year or date when they changed to poorer quality, but you always ask the makers. Getting an answer is another thing, since their customer service is just as poor as their current product.
Judging by those pictures it's hard to date the OL & S, since the flash is pretty powerfull. But the attachment method of the loop would suggest that it could be much more early than the cross. Without better pics it's hard to tell.
I've seen quite a few 57' EKs 1st, 2nd classes and RKs to say that most rules apply to all of them. I've handled only a few early lower classes, but I've seen enough pics of them to conclude as much.AnttiComment
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