Opinions on NCO and Navy Swords

[coloradocowboy]

Thought Id share these swords. NCO blade in fantastic shape and numbers match...Navy in great shape with a few small nicks in blade.

[coloradocowboy]

2

[BruceP]

Those are nice! Did you just pick those up?

Do you have the scoop on that cord on the kai? It seems to be made not as a tassel but as an alternative retention cord. I'll try to find the thread on that. It was run through the first belt hanger loop (I've recently learned is called a "haikan" not an "ashi") and tied arond the tsuka a backup means of keeping the blade from slipping out of the saya.

Update: Here's a picture of a retention cord (still trying to find the Japanese word for it. I don't think it's sageo, as that was the thick wrapping about a tachi ashi) Yours has tassels at the end, so a bit different than this one. If it's not a retention cord, I'm not sure what it is as the Navy tassel was all brown, not red.

[coloradocowboy]

Thanks and yes I just got them today. I don't have any info except that the previous owner didnt want them (which is so often the case)

[Phronsias]

Thought Id share these swords. NCO blade in fantastic shape and numbers match...Navy in great shape with a few small nicks in blade.

Hi
The Navy Sword is one of the swords that is a little controversial, because of the mix of army and naval fittings it is said to be a souvenir made after the war from original parts for GI's other say its a naval landing sword, Every one of these swords Ive seen are identical and in mint or near mint condition. I like them and would like to own one.
Regards
Frank

[zook]

Yes - NCO blade is in really nice shape considering rest of sword (paint loss, etc..) I've seen a few in similar condition on scabbard, Tsuba … but the blade is also normally worse for the wear … this one is well preserved. Very cool. Dan

[BruceP]

Hi
The Navy Sword is one of the swords that is a little controversial, because of the mix of army and naval fittings it is said to be a souvenir made after the war from original parts for GI's other say its a naval landing sword, Every one of these swords Ive seen are identical and in mint or near mint condition. I like them and would like to own one.
Regards
Frank

Dang Frank good catch! I missed that! Yes the “navy” gunto is now 99%known to have been a post war collaboration with the Army PX and local manufacturers, likely part of McArthur’s efforts to keep the Japanese economy going. You can read about this here : http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/japane...sion-672281-2/ where one of these was sold to a G.I. In 1950.

[coloradocowboy]

Interesting.

[Phronsias]

Dang Frank good catch! I missed that! Yes the “navy” gunto is now 99%known to have been a post war collaboration with the Army PX and local manufacturers, likely part of McArthur’s efforts to keep the Japanese economy going. You can read about this here : http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/japane...sion-672281-2/ where one of these was sold to a G.I. In 1950.

[coloradocowboy]

If I were to put navy on the estand, what would be a fair price?

[Luis22]

I guess $500 each,,,

[gunto]

Those are nice! Did you just pick those up?

Do you have the scoop on that cord on the kai? It seems to be made not as a tassel but as an alternative retention cord. I'll try to find the thread on that. It was run through the first belt hanger loop (I've recently learned is called a "haikan" not an "ashi") and tied arond the tsuka a backup means of keeping the blade from slipping out of the saya.

Update: Here's a picture of a retention cord (still trying to find the Japanese word for it. I don't think it's sageo, as that was the thick wrapping about a tachi ashi) Yours has tassels at the end, so a bit different than this one. If it's not a retention cord, I'm not sure what it is as the Navy tassel was all brown, not red.

Its a fusahimo from a sword bag.

[coloradocowboy]

thanks!

[beretta1934]

I read the link Phronsias posted and the evidence is irrefutable that they did have a contract to MAKE and sell some (6-8K?) "navy swords" for the PX system. We don't know exactly what features those swords had but just the fact that they were manufactured postwar is a mind blower to me and explains a lot about the machine made blades in "navy" type swords I have been offered over the many years. Sure wish someone could find an old PX catalog that showed the design and fittings on those. As always Caveat Emptor

[Phronsias]

I read the link Phronsias posted and the evidence is irrefutable that they did have a contract to MAKE and sell some (6-8K?) "navy swords" for the PX system. We don't know exactly what features those swords had but just the fact that they were manufactured postwar is a mind blower to me and explains a lot about the machine made blades in "navy" type swords I have been offered over the many years. Sure wish someone could find an old PX catalog that showed the design and fittings on those. As always Caveat Emptor

Hi
Have you seen this? http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=910675
Regards
Frank