Translation of nakago shin gunto

[thierry 37]

hello everybody,
is it possible to give me your opinions on the gunto ?
and translate me the kanji carracter?

*Seki stamp
* Showa ju nana (shichi) nen gatsu hi (the day of a month of 1942 )
not number day or number month ,is it rare ?
*the painting on the tang , the inventory number , J 52 ?
*the paper stamp of the scabbard ,is it possible to translate ?
*the sori of the blade is 7/8" ,is it common in the gunto ?
*for me , the hammon is GUNOME in the beginning and the end,and in the middle is HIRO SUGU it's common to have 2 style of hammon ?the boshi is MURA BÖSHI ?
i have just the blade and the scabbard , not koshirae.
thanks for your answers.
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[IMG]<a href="http://www.image-heberg.fr/files/1528028381743099904.jpg">1942 N°MADE.jpg</a>[/IMG]
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[IMG]<a href="http://www.image-heberg.fr/files/1528028572909284098.jpg">1942 hamon 3.jpg</a>[/IMG]
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[IMG]<a href="http://www.image-heberg.fr/files/15280286211435924132.jpg">1942 hamon 1.jpg</a>[/IMG]
[IMG]<a href="http://www.image-heberg.fr/files/1528028663324714878.jpg">1942 hamon 2.jpg</a>[/IMG]

[BruceP]

A nicer showato, Thierry!

The "J" MAY be katakana "Na". Mantetsu blades use a combo of katakana and english numbers.

The foil sticker is from the Seki Cutlery Manufacturers Society. It is discussed Here: http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/topic...ry#entry215689 with some almost intact examples.

[thierry 37]

hi Bruce ,
Always the first to answer,very good .
i don't understand "Mantetsu blades", it 's le sword smith ?
I have looked at the post"Seki Cutlery Manufacturers Society chat "
it's interesting,this logo is on the wood scabbard ,certainly dunder a leather cover.that may be the owner's name is written in black ink on the label..

[GHP]

I cannot be confident in the kanji in pink, but it's as close as I can guess. All the other kanji I am 99% confident.

濃州関之住祐国作
Nō-shū Seki no jū Sukekuni saku
Made by Sukekuni of Noshu Prefecture, Seki's resident

this is the first time I've seen the possessive article 之 [no] used for the residency.

昭和十七年月日
A date in Showa 17th year [1942]

Usually a month is named, and often just 日 "a day" with no number; however, this is the first time (for me) seeing just 月日 "tsukihi" ["a date"] with no numbers to indicate the actual month.


--Guy

[GHP]

The lacquer さ52 [sa-52] on the tang matches the pencil さ52 inside the scabbard; they are assembly numbers.

The ink stamp on the label is dated:

劍 ＊
====
17.3.24
=====
＊＊＊

Sword ＊
====
1942. March. 24
====
＊＊＊



--Guy

[BruceP]

hi Bruce ,
Always the first to answer,very good .
i don't understand "Mantetsu blades", it 's le sword smith ?
I have looked at the post"Seki Cutlery Manufacturers Society chat "
it's interesting,this logo is on the wood scabbard ,certainly dunder a leather cover.that may be the owner's name is written in black ink on the label..

Thanks Guy! You do beautiful work man!

Thierry, I was simply using the Mantetsu factory as an example of manufactures who had a practice of mixing kanji and English numbers. Sorry for the confusion.

[GHP]

Thanks Guy! You do beautiful work man!

Shucks ... now I have to go out and buy a larger hat!

--Guy

[thierry 37]

hi all,
Bruce , there is not confusion ,it's me that is ignorant , i don't know" the Mantetsu factory", now ok.

Guy, sombrero may be appropriate for 1big head....1 very full head, formidable, you don't miss a thing .you have answer to many questions and you made it with pasion and generosity. i thank you very much.
you are not sure for "Sukekuni" , but "Sukekuni" ,he existed as swordmith ?
之 is not "kore" ?
In your opinion, why to use "the possessive article 之 [no] " ,Usually it does not
exist ?
Finally the date which is lacking is on the stamp . 1942. March. 24 .

[GHP]

...i thank you very much.
you are not sure for "Sukekuni" , but "Sukekuni" ,he existed as swordmith ?
之 is not "kore" ?
In your opinion, why to use "the possessive article 之 [no] " ,Usually it does not
exist ?
Finally the date which is lacking is on the stamp . 1942. March. 24 .

Hello Thierry,

Yes, Sukekuni existed as a Showa-era swordsmith from Seki. There are three Showa smiths named Sukekuni here at the bottom of page 190. I think this would be the 6th from the bottom because he is from Gifu -- the modern name for Noshu.

Japanese is a fun language! 之 is *both* the possessive article "の; no", as well as "kore" [this] --

• の [no] (1) (orig. written 乃 or 之) indicates possessive; (2) nominalizes verbs and adjectives; ...

• これ [kore]; 是; 是れ; 之; 之れ; 維; 惟》 1) this (indicating an item near the speaker, the action of the speaker, or the current topic); (2) (hum) this person (usu. indicating someone in one's in-group); (3) now; (4) (arch) here; (5) (arch) I (me); (6) (arch) certainly;

Cheers,
--Guy

[GHP]

劍 ＊
====
17.3.24
=====
＊＊＊

The thought just came to me that the purple stamp must be an inspection stamp! I'm just guessing because I cannot readily make out the entire strokes on each kanji, but I THINK it is:

檢定
Kentei: official certification; official approval; inspection; verification;
檢 -- Pre-1946 kanji
検 -- 1946 kanji

New proposed semi-translation:

Inspected
====
1942. March. 24
====
＊＊＊

--Guy

[thierry 37]

hello GHP ,
very goog job,

Sukekuni from GIFU . OK
之 indicates possessive .OK
Even erased ,you still see again.
檢定
Kentei
檢 -- Pre-1946 kanji.for 1942 .OK

THANK you for your time.
in France we say : hats off(chapeau bas)

[GHP]

hello GHP ,
very goog job,

Sukekuni from GIFU . OK
之 indicates possessive .OK
Even erased ,you still see again.
檢定
Kentei
檢 -- Pre-1946 kanji.for 1942 .OK

THANK you for your time.
in France we say : hats off(chapeau bas)

Hello Thierry -- thanks for the hats off! I'm always glad to help when I can.

And here's a "chapeau bas" to you! (^__^)