Rising Sun Order Question

[Brian S]

Except for size these look exactly alike. How do you differentiate please?

[Brian S]

Does the larger really go with the larger box? Both were my grandfathers but do these two both belong to respective boxes I have?

[Brian S]

It seems the smaller case has fewer berries. Bot both my medals have the seven berries.

[Brian L.]

The large one is 3rd class worn at the neck and the smaller one is 4th class worn on the breast. The case for the 4th and 5th class were the same. I don't read Japanese. So, I don't know if the case lid is marked with 4th or 5th class on the small case. Maybe if you posted these in the correct forum (Japanese Militaria), you'd get more information.
This forum is for Imperial German ONLY.

[Brian S]

The large one is 3rd class worn at the neck and the smaller one is 4th class worn on the breast. The case for the 4th and 5th class were the same. I don't read Japanese. So, I don't know if the case lid is marked with 4th or 5th class on the small case. Maybe if you posted these in the correct forum (Japanese Militaria), you'd get more information.
This forum is for Imperial German ONLY.

Sorry. These were won by an Imperial PlM winner while a Hauptmann in Japan.

Maybe a moderator could move the thread.

[imperialjapan]

The smaller case is for a 5th Class.

[JapanX]

These are two orders of rising sun in special cases for foreigners.
Larger one is 3rd class (it case also has inscription, but inside)
Smaller one is 4th class (in the wrong case for 5th class).

If possible, please post other sides of orders.
Any docs for these?

Regards,
Nick

[Brian S]

Here is the other side. Inscriptions appear the same.

[JapanX]

Thanks.
Look like late Taisho pieces.

[Brian S]

Not sure what that means. But the awardee was in Japan from 1902 to 1908.

[JapanX]

Not sure what that means.

1920 +

But the awardee was in Japan from 1902 to 1908.

Interesting
No docs for these?

[Brian S]

No. He was there until 1908. Not mounted so your dates do not make sense. I am absolutely sure of these dates. He retiired 1919. Never went back to Japan. Same with boxes above. None of his docs survived. He was a Por le Merite w Oaks winner. He never wore these outside Japan. Therefore these are pre Taisho pieces.

[JapanX]

No

Not

Never

None

never

So many "no" and "never"

Of course my dating could be wrong and most likely is

[Brian S]

It is what it is and it was 1900 to 1908.

[Brian S]

For your theory Japan would have had to track down a retired Lt General and give him two medals. It does not seem reasonable. Did this happen in any circumstances you can cite? If so then I say maybe. You can take to the knowledge bank what I am telling you.