tsubas again

[brummbär]

hello my friends,
again here are some tsubas. the condition is bad but i think they are original and has the same age as the other tsubas i had presented in the other threads.
best regards

[brummbär]

the other tsuba

[GHP]

hello my friends,
again here are some tsubas. the condition is bad but i think they are original and has the same age as the other tsubas i had presented in the other threads.
best regards

弘親
Hirochika

鷲田 Washida School
近藤 Kondō family
Student of Hirotoshi
http://books.google.com/books?id=vNw...0tsuba&f=false
Genealogies of Japanese Tsuba and Tôsô-kinkô Artists By Markus Sesko, (p.71)

Doing a Google search of his name I saw other tsubas by him ca. 1825

Dunno about the other, unsigned, tsuba.


--Guy

[Bob Coleman]

I am not sure what #2 is as it is not made to fit a sword. it appears these all came under the care of the previous owner of some of the others you posted as they had the finish polished off a long time ago.

[brummbär]

thanks for your explanations and help

[Bob Coleman]

For clarity, there are no plural senses in Japanese. One or fifty, the proper term is tsuba, not tsubas.

[gunto]

Tsuba number 2 looks like it fits bokuto ,a wood practice sword.

[Brian Robinson]

Why on earth did someone kill them by scrubbing all the patina off?
Would take an expensive restoration to bring them back.

Brian

[GHP]

Tsuba number 2 looks like it fits bokuto, a wood practice sword.

You know, I was thinking the same thing. I've seen many rawhide tsuba and wooden tsuba, but never have I seen such a beautiful "real tsuba" before.

.... IF it is for a bokuto.


--Guy

[Bob Coleman]

Why on earth did someone kill them by scrubbing all the patina off?
Would take an expensive restoration to bring them back.

Brian

Only total ignorance explains the damage, which can be redone but will never match an original 200 year patination.
There was a published collection of tsuba, the Gonzales Collection, that was donated to the Chicago Field Museum of Natural History in the early 20th century. At some point in the 1950's, a curator decided to clean all of the iron tsuba with a wire brush to remove that ugly rust. Needless to say, they were ruined as it appears the brushing was done under power and today, the tsuba sit in drawers clean and full of deep scratches and no finish. I have seen and handled them and it is amazing the damage done in musuems by illinformed curators and volunteers. I was able to intercede with conservation done by a volunteer on their swords and armor before perminant damage was done. The woman had no credentials except for being the wife of a big annual contributor to the museum..Ugh!!!

[brummbär]

thanks to all of you for your replys and explanations