Japenese Order ??

[Totenhead]

Guys

Any idea what this is all about ?? Thanks in advance

Cheers M

[Nick Komiya]

Hope you didn't buy that. http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=715826

[gunto]

I couldnt remember where I have seen it .

[Totenhead]

I did, but only a tenner

[Totenhead]

I do not think this is 1960;s paper and looks hand written

not sure about the stains but may not be coffee........

[Nick Komiya]

Believe what you want, but the statue only got there in the 60s and of course there weren't word processors back then, so everything had to be handwritten.

[Totenhead]

Believe what you want, but the statue only got there in the 60s and of course there weren't word processors back then, so everything had to be handwritten.

Not trying to believe anything, but the paper looks like old paper

whats the full translation ? do you speak/read Japanese ?

[Nick Komiya]

Would it make you feel better, if the paper the writer used in the 60s happened to be pre-45 vintage? And if you must have blood, make it 1960s blood. Did you think the Japanese used typewritters when one needed at least 5000 keys to write even basic Japanese? You sound like you have to legitimize it for passing it on to someone else. You said you only lost a tenner, be a good sport about it. I already gave the gist of what's written and it's a total waste of time to do more. If you want, you can pay a proffessional translator to confirm what I said.

[GHP]

do you speak/read Japanese ?

Nick is Japanese and speaks English as a foreign language -- haven't met him, but have seen reviews of his Japanese-language book -- in Japanese -- citing his full Japanese name. Heck, he sounds like the very rare "true bi-lingual" -- someone who has two "A" languages and speaks/reads/writes both languages without accent.

I do not speak, read, or write Japanese -- but I studied it for two straight years and lived in Japan for five years ... and have dabbled with it for over 20 years. I've seen your "order" and everything Nick has told you is a fact -- it commemorates a Japanese statue dedicated to Japanese paratroopers.

Just accept it.

--Guy

p.s. here's a google-search (image) showing the statue:
statue
The wooden sign before the statue gives the date of Showa 45 (1970) -- but I didn't fully read the sign, so it might be when the sign was erected.

[Nick Komiya]

It was bad enough that greg1878 kept mum about a piece of writing he knew to be worthless and passed it onto someone else who thought it was some diamond in the rough. Now it has to do another round as a blood diamond. Joking aside, it was really a pain in the butt that we had no choice, but to handwrite all business documents well into the 90s, and my Japanese handwriting was infamous for its similarity to Egyptian hieroglyphics. The computer generation don't know how lucky they are that they don't have to be told that "one's handwriting mirrors ones character".

[Totenhead]

I think everybody may be getting their knickers in a twist here over nothing, I really cant see the need to become agitated over it.

[Totenhead]

Believe what you want, but the statue only got there in the 60s and of course there weren't word processors back then, so everything had to be handwritten.

The point I was making was that it was not printed, hence not mass produced one would assume, I am curious about that really ....

[Staldion]

I understand their "agitation".
You have the luck to have an answer from two of the most kind and helpful people of this board when it comes to translation (I will not forget Taka-san as well), on a item that already shows up, with more coffee stains than interest.

Notice that they are the only one who helped you, and I think you deserved this help because the seller did not told you the real nature of this item. Shame on him.

Now it seems you don't care about what they just said to you. I would be upset too, because you ask a lot of help, you get it for free, and sound like you are expressing some doubts about them. Understand that it is a little rude isn't it? What's the point of helping if you ignore the answers?

I don't know if they would assist you in your request after this lack of respect. Don't know if you still want their help if you don't believe them!
Maybe you should ask a professional translator to do it, you will be able to read the full paper and decide if it is interesting or not, at your own risk.

To be fair with you, this appears to be coffee stains on this paper, you have a big neat spot around the middle showing that the liquid came from a 90 degree angle and then a big stain that make me think of someone who miss his lips when drinking above the paper.
Look on the top, there is another stain removed, now why would you clean a stain but not the two others? Too late, the coffee is inside the paper, or maybe just because the paper didn't worth it after all?

I don't know how this would be blood, wearing it on the chest for combat? In some pocket? But it's not folded or anything... Doing sepukku? There would be more stains.

Mass produced or not don't make a great difference, without provenance, signature ... This is a dirty old sheet of paper with postwar writings about a postwar statue. Maybe you should ask your money back.

[Nick Komiya]

I think everybody may be getting their knickers in a twist here over nothing, I really cant see the need to become agitated over it.

I'm glad you now see our point. Now you can put your loss behind you and move on.

[Nick Komiya]

One elementary advice, horizontal writing is post war writing. Documents were always written vertically, never horizontally. Short words and names, as an exception, could be written horizontally, if the layout called for it, but in this case, it had to be written right to left, not left to right like the paper in question. Horizontal writing from left to right is a post war concession to Western practices.