How to identificate chinese fake-swords

[ral6014]

I have looked at more than 100 threads in this forum but In spite of this.... I can not yet be determined with certainty whether it is a chinese fake-sword always. Are there some features for beginners like me to reveal damned chinese copy-swords out of incorrect habaki or an displaced Bo-Hi ???!!!! Some chinese swords have correct habaki, correct Bo-Hi and correct markings and swords with brass-handles are not alone an product of imagine of some damn chinese fakers.....

Look at this offer:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-Japanese...item20d20deeed

Look for example also at this ebay-offer:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321112281623...84.m1423.l2649

I know.... the last example is an obviously fake. But if the habaki would be right.... I wouldn´t have a chance to reveal this sword as an copy. What are the features in this example??? Is it even possible to recognize this example as an fake without better pics??? What are the important features in this example and in other cases???
I am sorry for my poor english, I hope it is in spite of this lack clear what I mean.....

[gunto]

Both auctions are from!

[GHP]

Both auctions are from!

"...from China" you meant to say?

Yup, junk.

--Guy

[gunto]

GHP.

Yes.

Ral6014.

Very easy indeed....

Color of same ?
Poorly wrapped and wrong material Ito?
The position of ashi?
Color of saya?
Quality of fittings is poor and wrong color?

[Papa Nambu]

Just my observation; The Chinese fakers seem to always try a little too hard. They see NCO swords with matching numbers are worth more, gunto with signatures are worth more than those without. So they make swords with signatures and serial numbers.

And to be fair, not all sellers from China are cons. One of my favorite sellers on eBay is Diaofushui who has some good dug relics for sale now and then. Not swords, but I got some good fuzes from him.

[ral6014]

[QUOTE=gunto;5861971].......

Very easy indeed....]

Easy.....but only in this two cases. I´d seen examples from china with correct white color of same und correct coloured ito. O.k., I am too inexperienced to judge the quality of fittings or wrapping.

By the way... what means "ashi"?

[J7W22007]

[QUOTE=ral6014;5862260]

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Very easy indeed....]

Easy.....but only in this two cases. I´d seen examples from china with correct white color of same und correct coloured ito. O.k., I am too inexperienced to judge the quality of fittings or wrapping.

By the way... what means "ashi"?

Ashi - Tooth projection (Hamon or Gunome) on the blade.　 First introduced in Heian period.

Best regards,
Taka

[ral6014]

[QUOTE=J7W22007;5862271]

Ashi - Tooth projection (Hamon or Gunome) on the blade.　 First introduced in Heian period.

Best regards,
Taka

Thanks. I knew it only as "hamon".

[ral6014]

That´s the dangerous Quality that I´ve meant:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Munetoshi-Ha...item2ec7279d40

[gunto]

Ashi is the suspension mount on the saya.

[gunto]

That´s the dangerous Quality that I´ve meant:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Munetoshi-Ha...item2ec7279d40

Still lots of issues.

One of them ....Look tsuba , wrong shape!

Do You think it looks old , like prox. 70 years?

[GeorgeP]

The last example is a lot better than most I have seen and repros. are getting better. It is best to pick up a couple of books like Jim Dawson's Cyclopedia and study pics., connect with fellow collectors who focus on Japanese blades, study collections, etc. I am sure there will be a time in the not too distant future when modern creations will look quite authentic and be rather difficult to separate from the real thing. Imo, the best thing to do is always learn, study the new creations coming out and try to keep ahead of those who would want to separate you from your money.

Tom

[Stu W]

... By the way... what means "ashi"?

Have a look here for an example of ashi ...

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=627784

Regards,
Stu

PS: This refers to the ashi that gunto is speaking of. Taka is correct in his usage of the word as well. It can mean two different things as I understand it.

[Stu W]

Here are pictures of three books that I recommend you obtain if you want to know more about Japanese swords.

Regards,
Stu

[Stu W]

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