Opinions on NCO sword

[cerick1450]

Hi

How does this NCO sword look? Original? The scabbard and sword #'s match. It appears unmessed with... Also can anyone identify the Proof/maker markings?

Thanks for the help
Charlie

[tom clancy]

This is a genuine N.C.O Sword it has the first tokyo stamp and the suya company stamp.

Tom.

[gunto]

[cerick1450]

Thanks for the help. Can you date the approximate age of the sword by the arsenal markings?

Charlie

[Stu W]

Thanks for the help. Can you date the approximate age of the sword by the arsenal markings?

Charlie

Hello Charlie,

No, but your version (top latch iron tsuba) went into production mid 1941 and there were other versions later in the war.

Did you read the article I linked you too in my PM earlier today? It does touch on the time line there as well as the various fuchi stampings.

Regards,
Stu

[cerick1450]

Stu

No, I did not see the link? Can you re send/post.


Charlie

[cerick1450]

Stu

Got it.

Thanks
Cahrlie

[sturmann]

Salut,

Looks like a very nice NCO sword !

In addition to Stu ID and date , this link will give you additional info on those. The Japanese site calls this pattern the "middle type"

http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~t-ohmura/gunto_070.htm

[cerick1450]

Thanks to all for the help.

Charlie

[GHP]

Ever so slightly semi-off-topic

I had one of these NCO-type swords back in 1983 and let my instructor try it out on a tree branch in his front yard in San Gabriel, CA. My teacher was Obata Toshishiro, a well-renowned tameshigiri [test-cutting] expert. Well, he's a big fellah, and strong .... but he didn't cut through the 2 inch (5cm) diameter branch.

The blade bent -- not to the left or right, but along the blade axis. The sword ended up shaped somewhat like an Ottoman yataghan! I let him keep it.

The blade looked like this afterwards:


Morale of the story: it's only my one experience -- but I expect most of these blades will NOT be tempered.

(Hey kids! Don't try this at home!)

Cheers,
--Guy

T. Obata:

[Stu W]

Hi Guy,

That must have been one heck of a two inch branch.

You are correct though in that these Type 95 blades are not tempered so will bend if enough force is applied.

Good thing they were inexpensive back then although in terms of the dollar today that little experiment cost you the better part of 1K USD.

Regards,
Stu
PS: Hopefully it wasn't a near mint copper grip first run version.

[GHP]

Hi Guy,

That must have been one heck of a two inch branch.

You are correct though in that these Type 95 blades are not tempered so will bend if enough force is applied.

Good thing they were inexpensive back then although in terms of the dollar today that little experiment cost you the better part of 1K USD.

Regards,
Stu
PS: Hopefully it wasn't a near mint copper grip first run version.

Holy Cow! Nah, I paid $85 for it. It was in nice shape, and if I knew what was going to happen ... I would've left it home. It was an aluminum handle, not copper. But that didn't matter back then.

Regards,
--Guy

[Stu W]

[QUOTE=GHP;... if I knew what was going to happen ...--Guy[/QUOTE]

I know what you mean. We've all done something like that and like me, so soon old and so late smart. I remember wearing GAB, IAB and PAB on my shirt along with the other kids when we played "army" in the local wooded areas. Some day another person will come across the ones we dropped and wonder how there came to be TR ground finds in that area. There are several helmets, both Brit and German, still in those woods too I suspect unless some other youngster has found them in the intervening years.

Regards,
Stu