Japanese helmet liner retaining pins

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ROBB,
I removed the modeling paint from the rear, exposing the helmet as it should look and I have no problems with that, but in doing so I discovered the pin issue. Because I removed the thinly faked paint job at the back he won't refund my cash. To me it shows a been there done that helmet. My last email to PvL:
Peter,
If I had not messed with it I would not have seen the issue invoving
the pins. You sold an altered and tampered with helmet with unoriginal
hardware. I am not interested in you finding for me the original
equipment that should have came with this helmet as advertised.
Somebody tried to cover all this up, whether that was you or someone
else I can't prove, but it is your business and you should be
responsible for what you sale. I guess this concludes any dealings I
will have with you now and in the future.Please enjoy MY hard earned
money this holiday season, get the kids something nice!!
So I have an original helmet and liner with some battle damage that is in need of original pins. At least the whole thing wasn't fake.

[Westmark]

Here is the original write up done by Peter on this helmet:
Issue Type 90 Army Combat Helmet.

The standard type WWII Japanese combat helmet dated 1938. The shell retains about 90% of its original matt finish olive drab paint. The IJA fivepointed star affixed to the front is painted the same as the shell and most paint is still there. Liner is all complete but show use, chinstrap is also in place but shortened. Inside helmet remains almost all paint.

Liner fits well on a dummy with a headsize of 58!

All in all a Very solid and Very nice helmet!!

[Westmark]

Apparently Peter doesn't really check his items:
"Todd,

I think I was very fair with you.........

Honestly I have not seen the tampering with the helmet, but that is why we have the return right, we can not check every item totally and carefully as we sell a lot of them........."
and
."as I said we do handle 10.000 of items every year and can not check all so thorough as we would like to, as there are no time.........faults are made as by any dealer............"
and
"Todd,

I am sorry to hear that. I have never even noticed it.

Are you really sure it is a repaint and not just a bettering done period? As I have not seen it it
is however not right for me to comment really. If you want send me a picture of the area."
So he really never saw this helmet originally.Well who did?
He thinks thinks the pins could be original:
".....still I have no idea if they are original or not...........I belive it is possible that brass rivets where used...........but as I am no expert on Japanese helmets in that sense I may be wrong."
He did give me a partial refund for the fake paint job but it wasn't till today that I found the rivet issue and wanted a full refund.

[Peter v L]

Apparently Peter doesn't really check his items:
"Todd,

I think I was very fair with you.........

Honestly I have not seen the tampering with the helmet, but that is why we have the return right, we can not check every item totally and carefully as we sell a lot of them........."
and
."as I said we do handle 10.000 of items every year and can not check all so thorough as we would like to, as there are no time.........faults are made as by any dealer............"
and
"Todd,

I am sorry to hear that. I have never even noticed it.

Are you really sure it is a repaint and not just a bettering done period? As I have not seen it it
is however not right for me to comment really. If you want send me a picture of the area."
So he really never saw this helmet originally.Well who did?
He thinks thinks the pins could be original:
".....still I have no idea if they are original or not...........I belive it is possible that brass rivets where used...........but as I am no expert on Japanese helmets in that sense I may be wrong."
He did give me a partial refund for the fake paint job but it wasn't till today that I found the rivet issue and wanted a full refund.

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As Todd seems to leave a lot of the discussions we had outside of the forum, I see it fit to tell you all what happened.

Todd bought the discussed helmet from us, when received he contacted me and said he where not happy with it due to the reason it had been partially repainted on the backside. I told him it was nothing we had noticed and asked him to make some pictures of it. After seeing the photos and not being able to make any conclusions I gave Todd the options of eather return the helmet for a full refund or make a partial refund on it.

I asked him what amount would be good for him and what would make him satisfyed. He said he wanted 200 and I agreed to refund 200 US $ which I did about 2 minutes after agreement where done. Remember I gave him all options to return the helmet as I said allready initially, we are no specialists on Japanese militaria and we had not seen the issue on the helmet.

After receiveing the refund Todd removes the paint from the helmet and from the rivets and then comes back to me and say rivets are fakes (which I can not deny as I really don´t know) and that he now want a full refund of the helmet.

I then naturally told him it will not happen as he had the option to eather return the helmet untouched or getting a partial refund. He choose the partial.

I have to say that I feel we have done everything right here and gone the extra mile to make Todd happy.

Tampering with the helmet naturally void any guarantee not only for Todd but also for us down the line.It is stated clearly at ALL militaria dealers terms.


Peter v Lukacs

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You offered up a bad piece of mechandise you hadn't even seen, "neglected" to post pics of the questionable areas of the helmet and in your description you make no mention of any of these issues. I guess you forgot or you have absolutely no oversite in what is placed for sale on YOUR site. You apparently didn't notice the bad cover up job on the back of the helmet nor the bad paint cover up on the pins, even though the gold showed through on parts. I did accept a rebate from you and as such wanted to rid the helmet of the poor cover job done by you or whoever runs your site. With that crappy paint removed the helmet is now in its original form. I have no problem with this damage to helmet, to me its a been there war vet, but then when I saw the pins it was too much! You were not forthcoming in your sale of this item......you are a cheat. Enjoy my 700USD

[Peter v L]

You offered up a bad piece of mechandise you hadn't even seen, "neglected" to post pics of the questionable areas of the helmet and in your description you make no mention of any of these issues. I guess you forgot or you have absolutely no oversite in what is placed for sale on YOUR site. You apparently didn't notice the bad cover up job on the back of the helmet nor the bad paint cover up on the pins, even though the gold showed through on parts. I did accept a rebate from you and as such wanted to rid the helmet of the poor cover job done by you or whoever runs your site. With that crappy paint removed the helmet is now in its original form. I have no problem with this damage to helmet, to me its a been there war vet, but then when I saw the pins it was too much! You were not forthcoming in your sale of this item......you are a cheat. Enjoy my 700USD

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Naturally I had seen the helmet!

As stated I did not see any problems with it at the time, if I had I definatly would have posted it.

Helmet is pictured and posted as our items allways are;
http://www.military-antiques-stockho...ri=134&id=6475

Obviously you did also not see the gold shining through as you decided to take a partial refund instead of returning the helmet.

"I did accept a rebate from you and as such wanted to rid the helmet of the poor cover job done by you or whoever runs your site. With that crappy paint removed the helmet is now in its original form."

Sounds very convincing!!

Peter

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Curiously the back of the helmet isn't shown in your site. Forgot to take pics I guess. You didn't see the slop at the back of the helmet? Are you blind? It's the first thing I saw when I took it out of the box. Regardless of your policies on returns, you still initially offered up an item where either pictogragically or in writing failed to comment on the faults of this helmet. You stated that the "shell retains about 90% of its original matt finish olive drab paint" which it does not and "Liner is all complete" which it is not unless you count the fake pins. You went on to state
"All in all a Very solid and Very nice helmet!!"
YOU PUT UP FOR SALE AN OBVIOUSLY MESSED WITH PIECE AND DIDN'T DESCRIBE IT AS SUCH. YOU MAKE MISTAKES? YOU MADE A MISTAKE AND I PAID FOR IT. I HOPE FOR THE NEXT GUY YOU ARE NOT AS CASUAL IN YOUR ASSESSMENT OF AN ITEM