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**Chris Boonzaier** · 12-05-2007, 05:14 PM

The sword comforms to the "1945" style found here....<o

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(See "End of war hilts")<o

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http://home.earthlink.net/~steinrl/military.htm<o

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As in this standard late war officer<o

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http://www.quanonline.com/military/m...e/sword_14.php<o

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and as you can see, the hole in the Tsuba for the Military leather thong with stud.<o

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http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~t-ohmura/gunto_011.htm<o

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As you can see at this site the Dai Sho are listed under military parts and link 1) on this page mentions that the 45 swords have a miture.<o

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"By 1945, there were numerous "desperation" end of war varieties of shin-gunto being produced both in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1

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http://www.japanese-swords.com/pages/daisho.htm

What do you guys think?

As I said, the provenance is as good as gold... what could I be missing?
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**Bob Coleman** · 12-05-2007, 07:48 PM

Chris-
I Presume You Are Referring To The Bottom Sword And Not The Standard N C O Model. The Lower Sword Is A Civilian Mounted Sword, War Time Period That Was Produced And Sold For Martial Arts. Many Of These Were Either Donated To The War Effort Or Carried To Battle By Their Owners. They Are Easy To Spot As They Usually Always Have A Cast Brass Tsuba, Inexpensive Fuchi-kasshira And Molded Menuki. The Blades Are Usually Always Oil Tempered. There Is Absolutely No Problem With That Being A Period Sword.

PS: THIS IS DEFINITLEY NOT ONE OF THE " 1945 " SWORDS.

**Warren O** · 12-06-2007, 10:06 PM

Bob,
Is it true that the wartime produced civilian swords are considerd rare?
Most of the civilian swords were produced before the war?
Warren

**Bob Coleman** · 12-06-2007, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by Warren O View Post

Bob,
Is it true that the wartime produced civilian swords are considerd rare?
Most of the civilian swords were produced before the war?
Warren

THE TYPE OF SWORD POSTED BY CHRIS WERE MADE PREWAR AND LIKELY DURING THE WAR. THEY ARE NOT GENUINE NIHONTO AND I HAVE NEVER ENCOUNTERED ONE WITH A DATE. I WOULD NOT CONSIDER THEM TO BE RARE. THE MOST UNUSUAL ONE I EVER ENCOUNTERED WAS ONE I PURCHASED FROM A VET WHO HAD OBTAINED IT WHERE IT WAS SURRENDERED IN THE PHILLIPINES. IT HAD A BLACK LEATHER COVERED SCABBARD WITH TWO SUSPENSION RINGS. IT WAS MOUNTED TO BE WORN WITH THE CUTTING EDGE UP IN THE MANNER A TRUE SAMURAI SWORD WAS WORN. THIS WAS THE ONLY EXAMPLE OF THIS TYPE OF SWORD MOUNTED IN THIS MANNER I EVER ENCOUNTERED. IN FACT, I NEVER FOUND AN OLDER BLADE MOUNTED MILITARY STYLE IN THIS MANNER EITHER.

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