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    Fellow collectors,

    I might as well start a second thread to hear your opinions on the following presentation case with silver sake cups. The whole ensemble is not yet in my collection, but I plan to purchase this one very soon. Before doing so, I wonder about the writings inside the case. Such a large string of characters goes beyond my limited knowledge and I hope someone might be able to help me out.
    The seller told me that the text shows the name, address and phone number of the maker (apparently a shop for jewelry and watches). It should be awarded to a reserve infantry regiment in Showa 11 (1936). Is that information correct?

    Thanks & best regards,
    Laurens

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            #6
            It was awarded in Showa 11 and the text is the name address and phone numbers of the manufacturer (a watch and jewelry shop). The characters to whom it was awarded are too worn for me to make them out clearly.

            Regards,

            Paul

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              #7
              Originally posted by plmurphy View Post
              (a watch and jewelry shop).
              Nakatani Tokei-ya (Nakatani Watch Store). Below this large type, the third line from the bottom, left: first two kanji are "Mukden" followed by something like "Tainichi-cho" A ward address in Mukden, I suppose? I'm just guessing, using the Japanese pronunciations.

              Mukden Tainichi Cho
              Denwa 3737-go [telephone no. 3737]
              Denwa 3249-go
              The characters to whom it was awarded are too worn for me to make them out clearly.
              The two lines on the bottom right are something!!~ At first I thought it was Tokyo Nihonbashi [...] -- But the first kanji is nothing similar to "to/higashi"; so although Nihonbashi is in Tokyo .... this might be a "Nihonbashi" somewhere else.

              The second kanji is "Kyo" and means capital. So the first two kanji must be something like "Peichin/Hokuhei" [Northern Capital] or Nanjing/Nankin [Southern Capital] .... but the first kanji is neither "north" or "south"!!! ]

              The bottom line is the telephone number, Denwa 3854-go [Telephone no. 3854]

              The 7 worn kanji are read from left to right [bold= 100% sure].

              1. Shan??? [does not look like "water radical + mountain"]
              2. Tou [Shanto is a southern port city -- I am grasping at straws here]
              3. Mamoru [protector]
              4. ??Ryou?? (skill) --
              5. ~tsuka (hill) ?? [Thought it was "ho" -- defense, but too many strokes]
              6. &7. Ki-nen. ["aniversary" or "memorial"]

              Hmmmm .... #5 might also be "zou" (photo/image) which makes sense: group photo at an annual get-together.

              If you can get a closer image from a different angle (from above?) perhaps we can better guess what these elusive kanji say.

              Regards,

              Guy
              Last edited by GHP; 10-03-2006, 10:12 PM. Reason: My name is not Paul!! :)

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                #8
                Thanks for both replies
                The last thread is quite interesting, especially with the addition of the characters used for the city of Mukden. Otherwise, I'm at a dead end and have to rely on the knowledge from members like Paul Murphy and Paul (GHP). One of my concerns is to know whether the set of cups and presentation case are/is military related.

                I have sent a request to the seller, asking for a straight shot of the label and adjacent kanji. I will meet him again on October 15.

                Best regards,
                Laurens

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Laurens Q-fin View Post
                  ...Paul (GHP).
                  Vanity rules ..... my name is Guy H. Power. I forgot to delete Paul's name when I responded; ergo, self-misidentification.

                  If you can get better shots of the lettering it will help trying to get it translated.

                  Cheers,
                  --Guy

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                    #10
                    Hehe, I thought the names were just a coincidence ... but it's not
                    I won't hesitate to post more and better shots when possible!!

                    Thanks,
                    Laurens

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                      #11
                      The reference to Hihonbashi is not the Tokyo Nihonbashi. The first two characters are a Chinese city name, like Guy I cannot make out the first one, and then it says "Nihonbashi Street". It was quite common for the Japanese to rename streets during their occupation of Chinese cities.

                      This was definitely made in China during the Japanese occupation but there is nothing to suggest that it is military. You find a lot of silver cups like this given out as presents or awards by companies and associations so that chances are that it is a civil award.

                      Regards,

                      Paul

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                        #12
                        Correction issued
                        Last edited by Nick Komiya; 04-30-2007, 03:41 PM.

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                          #13
                          Maybe it's too late, but the faded dedication that no one seemed to be able to read says. In honor of the Fushun(In Japanese Bujun) Garrison. It was definitely a military piece. This garrison is known for atrocities committed in Sept 1932

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