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    Greek soldiers, 1941

    Hi all!

    I have been scrolling through some old threads and saw that there has been some interest in ww2 greek uniforms, as there is pretty limited reference on them. Unfortunately some of the threads pre-dating my joining date on waf are long since "buried" and I was a little bit hesitant on bumping them...

    Here is a photo I got some time ago, showing a group of greek soldiers, in some typical, frontline outfit. The picture was taken on February 8, 1941 and the text on the back of it reads "A present to my respectable father, so that he remembers me", signed Sotiris.

    What appears to be a unit number, is "T.T. 212". The only plausible explanation is that it's "Signals' Battalion 212". But reference on that seems inexisting... So, maybe some other (greek) member could help with that?

    Here is the photo, I 'll try to give some description...

    <a href="http://s614.photobucket.com/albums/tt226/stray_dog/?action=view&current=lastscan.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt226/stray_dog/lastscan.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    All of the men are wearing the khaki "No 2" uniform, which was following the british service dress. The puttees are also the british style, boots are after the french contemporary pattern. Side caps are of two different patterns, the 1936 and the 1940 ones, with the latter bearing two adjustable pieces for protection of the chins and ears against the cold. Side caps were also worn against the regulation under the helmets, as additional protection against the harsh weather conditions. They are bearing the crown and a national colours cockade. The greatcoats are of a greek pattern. Leather webbing belts are of the 20s austrian pattern.

    The man kneeling on the far right is a sergeant (2 yellow chevrons, surrounded by the branch colour), who seems pretty proud of his rank! The horizontal stripe above his chevrons is something I have never seen elsewhere... The man standing on the far right is a junior officer. His rank insignia (1-3 silver stars on the shoulderboards) have been removed, for security and self-protection reasons, something that was a common practice. The officer is wearing Sam Browne webbing, with the straps crossed, unlike the british Sam Browne battle order. His holster must be a greek or an old austrohungarian example. Officers were also wearing the "No1" uniform, which also looked like the british "walking out" service dress. It was not very commonly seen on the field though. Brown riding boots were the officers' common footwear, but again, ORs' boots with puttees and leather leggings were used on the front.

    If these men belonged indeed to a signals' battalion, they would have been part of the Engineers branch. Each branch was bearing its own colour insignia on the uniform collars, as seen on the photo. Sometimes these were also removed. These mens' collar insignia should be purple. A brass unit number would be attached on each patch for EM and NCOs and a flaming cannonball for the oficers. These were removed pretty early on the front, as they were pretty visible...

    I hope that I have provided some basic info of interest...

    Cheers, Giorgos

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    Girrgos,

    Thanks for posting this interesting picture and the information on the uniforms. There is interest on this forum in Greek uniforms but as you say, very little information available even here. I hope we see more greek uniform posts from you.

    Regards,

    Gordon

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      #3
      Hello Giorgos,a long time ago I put pictures from my grandfather and a friend off his on this forum.Both where officers in the Greek army and rescistance fighters.
      Greetings Vlasios Stefas

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        #4
        Hi Vlasis!

        Yes, I have seen your thread, it was among the ones I hesitated on bumping... I 'll have a look at it again!

        I 'll have a nice period engineers' lieutenant "No1" tunic in some days, I 'll post some pics when I 'll have it in my hands!

        Cheers, Giorgos

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          #5
          Hi, Giorgos you have a beautifull photo here. Just some suggestions:
          1. T.T 212 is a military post code it has nothing to do with signals corp
          2. There is no khaki "No 2" uniform or khaki "No1" uniform No1 & No2 uniforms were officiall ceremony blue coloured officers uniforms.
          3. The puttees do look like british ww1 but are different
          4. There are no 1936 and 1940 Side caps, 1940 side cap you mention is actually a 1937 pattern, but it may have been produced earlier or later to 37
          5. The uniforms and the equipment of the Greek army was influenced indeed from the europeans but they were different in design, materials used and construction
          6. The man kneeling on the far right is a sergeant but the 2 chevrons is not apparently yellow and is not apparently surrounded by the branch colour
          7. The horizontal stripe above the sergeant chevrons, though it would make sence on a corporal is a mystery to me too.

          Very nice photo, thank you for sharing and happy new year

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            #6
            anixneutis,

            Welcome to the forum. Thanks for sharing your thoughts in this thread.

            Regards,

            Gordon

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              #7
              Hi anixneutis!

              Thanks for your comments!

              Some comments on your 1, 2 and 6.

              1) Indeed, as I found out later, T.T. 212 is a postal code, used around the area of Kastoria and possibly later in Albanian territory.

              2) In my bibliography, the field uniforms were designated as "No1" and "No2". I know, Greek bibliography and uniform pattern designation can be tricky, though.

              6) I am pretty sure about that, rank chevrons were yellow and surrounded by the branch colour. Red for infantry, green for cavalry etc.

              Best regards,
              Giorgos

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                #8
                Giorgos,
                Sorry for the late response,
                I really dont know what bibliography you mean, what I know is that the army nco's uniform regulation does not make such a distiction. I would be pleased if you could enlighten me on that matter. About the rank chevrons now, yellow was used only by infantry and cavarly but the surrounded branch colour was used only in the dress out uniform and not by the enlisted men. In practice both of them may used it, but that was the regulations.

                Gordon,
                It nice to be wellcomed, Thanks

                Best regards to all...

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                  #9
                  Giorgos,
                  is it possible to enlarge your photo on the chevrons spot? A closer look may give me a clou.

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