Is this a rare Flieger...

[ccj]

Is this a rare officer's tunic for an aviation lieutenant?

It has:
black piping on upper and lower parts of Swedish cuff
Black piped collar
Red piped front and rear skirt
Guard pattern collar tabs, black velvet piped red with litzen
Guard litzen on cuffs though appears maybe re-tacked down but...
Officer shoulder boards with gray underlay and Flieger devises, maybe missing pip or...

Does all look originally applied?

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[collector rich]

Hello

I do not know, but it looks nice. Great pictures

[Gary B]

Shouldn't the waffenfarbe of the uniform (red piping for artillery) match the waffenfarbe underlay of the shoulder boards?

I recall that aviators retained their basic uniforms and just added the prop device to the shoulder boards of their original unit.

Gary B

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Shouldn't the waffenfarbe of the uniform (red piping for artillery) match the waffenfarbe underlay of the shoulder boards?

I recall that aviators retained their basic uniforms and just added the prop device to the shoulder boards of their original unit.

Gary B

Piping colors and combinations as to how it applied was completely different in WWI than WW2. Red generally had nothing to do with Artillery and was standard tunic piping for most all tunics except cavalry which was by regiment. You need a book to understand it well.

This tunic is for some type of technical officer and it comes down to when you believe the devices were added. Technically the board underlay would be a double one and different for flyers, but not all got the memo and many used existing boards

[Gary B]

Piping colors and combinations as to how it applied was completely different in WWI than WW2. Red generally had nothing to do with Artillery and was standard tunic piping for most all tunics except cavalry which was by regiment. You need a book to understand it well.

This tunic is for some type of technical officer and it comes down to when you believe the devices were added. Technically the board underlay would be a double one and different for flyers, but not all got the memo and many used existing boards

Thanks for the explanation!

Gary B

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Thanks for the explanation!

Gary B

You are welcome, but I'm afraid that I did not offer you much! I think that I would be correct in saying that this tunic is correct as originally made for a Technical officer with that board underlay and button color. Many Pilots came from that service as they did from other branches.

I do agree that it is a great looking tunic.

[Alan Wilson]

Very nice tunic. Flying officers wore M1888 pattern boards with light gray underlay. M15 boards identified fliger-bataillons by specific piping colors over the light gray underlay; 1st Bn-white, 2d Bn-poppy red, 3d Bn-lemon-yellow and 4th Bn-light blue. As stated shoulder insignia during the war did not always follow regulations.

Mike

[Chip M]

I don't care for the large prop insignia. To me, this is a technical officer's tunic, nothing more. I would not pay a premium based on those boards.

Chip

[ccj]

This tunic was in a collection of an acquaintance of Dave Mosher once as he posted an image years ago.
I personally feel the tunic is real but I think the boards were once another technical branch. I agree with Chip that the boards are once something else.
Now, I think the tunic is a real tunic but interested in others opinions.