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    103. Infanterie Regiment Bugle/Horn Info Requested

    Hello ladies and gents!

    I first started this topic on the 'regular' Wehrmacht forum, as I was unsure whether it was WW1 or WW2 German. However, now I'm fairly sure it's WW1-era, perhaps even pre-1914, thus Imperial is the forum I'll try for more information!

    This is a charming bugle/horn (or "French" horn, someone said). Stamped "II J.R. 10 5" (not sure whether 10[space]5 or 105) on the front. It has engravings on each side: "103 Inft. Regiment" on one and something resembling "E. Eschenberg Bautzen" on the other.
    I've got a couple of questions on the item, as this is really not my cup of tea:

    1. Is this indeed Imperial German?
    2. When was it made (guesstimate) and/or used?
    3. Would anyone know more about the units it is or is not attached to? Are the II. J.R. stamp and both engravings related to the same unit?
    4. Does anyone know an "E. Eschenberg" (or burg) who was indeed an instrument maker in Bautzen? I think that's the makers mark...
    5. The dreaded question: are these items worth anything and/or collectable? This really is out of my comfort zone so I actually don't know anything for sure...

    Thanks for any help you'd be willing to give!

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    #2
    II = 2nd battalion
    IR 10 = Infanterie Regiment 10

    More likely pre TR period.

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      #3
      So did it possibly belong to two different regiments (103rd and 10th) over the perhaps many years of service?

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        #4
        In imperial times, the garrison for the Sächsisches Infanterie Regiment Nr.103 was in Bautzen. There was no I.R.103 in the Reichswehr army. I have looked for lists of WWII regiments, but can only find divisional lists, so I am not sure if there was an I.R.103 in WWII. My best guess is that this is an imperial era instrument that was reissued at a later date.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Chip M View Post
          I am not sure if there was an I.R.103 in WWII.
          There was: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...er/IR103-R.htm

          Nevertheless, anything TR usually has at least one swastika on it.

          That II IR 10 5 is an official designation stamped, the other IMO is an engraving which is usually a non-official add on by some individual.

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            #6
            This is definitely a military French horn, or just ein Horn in German. It is a single horn, meaning one row of slides and 3 rotary valves. Modern professionals use double horns, with two rows of slides and a 4th valve, allowing the player to switch between the keys of F and Bb.

            I don't know much about the regiments that this horn belonged to, but from similar brass instruments of the period the stamps look authentic.

            I don't know what this might be worth - it is not good enough for a modern player to use as is unlikely to have the build quality of a professional instrument of the period. I don't know how many militaria collectors focus on brass instruments like these?

            I do have several brass instruments from the period but mostly bugles and trumpets. I've not seen a horn like this in what looks like complete condition. Do any of the valves move when you press them?

            Anyway, it's nice to see something a little unusual like this.

            Matthew

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              Thanks all for the help! I don't visit the forum as much as I used to, so only now do I read most of the messages. It is indeed an interesting item, though in the end I decided to part with it as it really doesn't fit my Cold War collection in any way. It is currently on its way to a new owner in Texas.

              Some added information as requested above: all the valves seem to work, all buttons make something else move, which is quite nice.

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