Hat and tunic question..

[Mike Dunn]

I recently picked this hat up and was wondering if the cockades were correct and if it might have gone with my tunic. The hat is blue with a greenish colored piping. Any help would welcomed! Thanks, Mike

[Mike Dunn]

Hat maker..

[Mike Dunn]

cockades..top one seems to be a bit off center--could be the hat as the prongs are under the liner and it is still attached to the hat. Should there be a national cockade on the top?

[Mike Dunn]

Now--does this hat go with this tunic?? Thanks again!

[PaulChep]

The cockade don't seem right. There should be a Reich cockade on top, I think. No big deal to get them. The tunic seems to be for an infantry NCO. I am not sure about the boards. Are they sewn in?

[Mike Dunn]

Yes the shoulder boards are sewn on.

[Tony & Kaiser]

Mike, the Waffenrock is from 6. Badisches Infanterie-Regt. Kaiser Friedrich III Nr.114. They wore a standard blue infantry cap w/ red band and piping. I am afraid this cap has nothing to do with Infantry. The Waffenrock is correct for this unit, gilt buttons, plain Brandenburg cuffs, etc. It is not an NCO Waffenrock, just a Private. Tony

[Mike Dunn]

Thamls Tony. A hat like my reserve hat? What was this hat for then if anything? Mike

[Tony & Kaiser]

A hat like my reserve hat? What was this hat for then if anything? Mike

Your Reserve cap (if its the one I remember) would go nicely with this very nice Waffenrock. I looked for many years for a Waffenrock with green straps, and finally found one last year. And you dug one up without trying? Not fair! I have no idea what that blue cap is with the green piping. I am not aware of any military unit that used those colors?

[Mike Dunn]

Thanks again Tony..Do you happen to have a picture of your tunic with hat? Also--what book or books would you recommend that would be in color to help me ID tunics and hat. THis hat thing is starting to bug me! LOL Mike

[ccj]

What type of visor cap is that?

[Tony & Kaiser]

Do you happen to have a picture of your tunic with hat? what book would you recommend // ID tunics and hat.

No I do not. I collect examples, (I.E. Waffenrocks with every shoulder strap color) so this tunic I have with green straps (IR17 XXI AK) does not rate a mannequin.

I have considered making a section to Kaiser's Bunker on caps as I receive a lot of inquires re this. But how? And that would be a huge job. I am afraid cannot offer any good advice for books, probably the best one for caps is the 1978 Helme & Mützen der Armee by Gerd Schulz.

[Mike Dunn]

Thanks Tony--you have been more than helpful in many thing! Maybe if I ask this--have a photo of a hat that would have been worn with a tunic like this?
I think the more I get into Imperial uniforms and head gear-the more confused I get! AND THAT DOES NOT TAKE MUCH FOR THIS ALMOND FARMER!!! LOL Mike

[Dave Mosher]

Mike

If you want to display your tunic for "walking out dress", you would use a schirmmutze like this cap that Paul had posted earlier this week but with a baden cockade (below) in place of the prussian one. I seem to remember that I identified this tunic before...

Dave

[SCHUPO]

Mike,

In looking at your Schirmmütze I feel it might be an Imperial period police cap. It is not a regulation Baden Republik Polizei peaked cap however as the blue badischen Polizei Einheitsmütze had a green band along with green piping. Your cap only has green piping and a blue band. Also, only a single Baden cockade was worn on the band and your double badische Kokareden are of mixed styles and redundant so I don't think the top one, at least, belongs on this cap. It appears that pre-1918 regulations might have allowed for a badische Polizei cap with a blue top and a blue band and a single cockade. I collect police uniforms, so if this cap does not meet your needs please let me know.

I hope this helps.

George