M16 helmet grey with stress cracks

[Oceansider]

Is this a square dip?

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[juoneen]

I think there was a storm trooper helmet with a different dip on the edge, but I'm not sure this is one of them...

[Hans K.]

No. It was a nice production model helmet that someone has ruined with this horrible paint job. I think the cracks may be in the paint, not the metal.

Only Thale ironworks (E.T. stamp) made square dip prototype helmets from December 1915 to January February 1916. The Silesia ironworks manufactured helmet you show has an M1917 liner - metal liner band instead of the earlier leather - and was manufactured well into 1917 or later.

The stress cracks which frequently occurred on square dip helmets were located in the section where the brim transitioned into the neck guard. This area is marked in black ink on the example below.

[Oceansider]

No. It was a nice production model helmet that someone has ruined with this horrible paint job. I think the cracks may be in the paint, not the metal.

Only Thale ironworks (E.T. stamp) made square dip prototype helmets from December 1915 to January February 1916. The Silesia ironworks manufactured helmet you show has an M1917 liner - metal liner band instead of the earlier leather - and was manufactured well into 1917 or later.

The stress cracks which frequently occurred on square dip helmets were located in the section where the brim transitioned into the neck guard. This area is marked in black ink on the example below.

Thanks for that explanation!

[Oceansider]

No. It was a nice production model helmet that someone has ruined with this horrible paint job. I think the cracks may be in the paint, not the metal.

So does the paint job ruin the value of the helmet?

Here's a closeup of a place where the paint chipped and shows the original:

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[C. Roelens]

Yes, IMO the thick post war repaint considerably lowers the value. The original M17 liner system is in rough condition, and it is missing the chinstrap. Had it not been repainted, I would estimate its value in the $250.00-$300.00 range.

Chuck

[Oceansider]

Yes, IMO the thick post war repaint considerably lowers the value. The original M17 liner system is in rough condition, and it is missing the chinstrap. Had it not been repainted, I would estimate its value in the $250.00-$300.00 range.

Chuck

Thanks Chuck,
Bob Hudson