What unit is this 1./J.L. ?

[90th Light]

There is a new member on the optics forum who is asking about a unit marking on one of his pre-war "6X Goerz 03 Dienstglas" binoculars. Here is the link;

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=745689

The markings is 1./J.L.

It has got me beaten, can someone help out,

Chris

[SilverScreen]

Hi, thank you to Chris, guiding me to this place ;

I put in a foto of the front of the binoculars, they are Trieder Binocles from Goerz;



D.F. 03 Dienstglas Nr. 13807. U.F. 6X
Production number ; 144287 (1908) --- or number 44287 (1903)

We hold another pair same model but with the right millitary numbering;



Military number show clear. 39. R. 1. 15, ---- But the writing on the "new" ones in our collection are this "1./J.L." , and that is the problem what this refere.

As Chris point out, you can find the tread, and more foto's, at ; http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...98#post6497498

[90th Light]

Well I am pleased that it is just not me who has not seen the unit marking "J.L."

but is there anyone here who can help SilverScreen on this one ???

Chris

[Chip M]

Infanterie Lehr Rgt.?

Chip

[SilverScreen]

"These binoculars often went from hand to hand" ; I read this about how some early binoculars were fittet so that adjusting eye distance and okular callibration became easier when a bino "went from hand to hand". Then the full millitary number would seem meaningless, but not as suggested a much shorter just mentioning What Regiment.

Thank's "Chip m"

[90th Light]

Infanterie Lehr Rgt.?

Chip

Thanks Chip,

This one has continued to puzzle me so I sought another expert opinion from a very knowledgeable source;


"The 1./J.L. marking is very unusual from a bayonet perspective. The "/" is
almost never seen on imperial bayonets but standard for post-1918
markings. Ignoring that issue then 1.J.L. would most likely be pre-war
Bavarian Leib Regiment. Before the war the Bavarians did not bother
signifying that their weapons were Bavarian with a "B" and "J.L.x" is
common on their old Werder bayonets with x being company number. After
this possibility I am afraid it would just be hand waving for me and could
be any one of a number of short-hand designations right down to 1st company
of Landsturm or Landwehr Jager formations."


This basically covers it in a nutshell,

Chris

[90th Light]

This is interesting and worth noting on this thread;

It is only the 1923 regulation that works with slashes. Neither the 1877, nor the 1909 regulation do.
That makes the use of slashes unique to the Reichwehr period.

And yes, I am aware there are a few unusual markings out there. But the slashes, in general, are Reichwehr.

If anyone has access to a markings regulation that shows otherwise, I like to get a copy. Or just a date of such a regulation, then I can go looking for it myself.

Chris

[90th Light]

I have a book about Imperial German regimental markings on my bookshelf by Jeff Noll. Here is what he added to the other thread about this;

Either 90th light or chip are correct. This marking is ambiguous. The regiment has to be one without a number associated with it.

A interesting study of what regimental markings really mean if nothing else,

Chris