Bread bag snaps

[rick1]

Anyone seen anything like this period?
Thanks in advance.
Regards
Rick

[pzrwest]

Looks like a riveted metal dish button rather than a snap

[Chip M]

I can't say I have seen this before, but it makes sense in that it would make manufacturing quicker and it would not come off as easily as a sewn button.

Is there a date on the back of the middle belt with the hook? A copper rivet would not be expected to be used later in the war.

Chip

[rick1]

Thanks Chip,
Can't make out the date, but center belt hook is also brass and all other buttons look like this.

[phild]

I'm no expert on breadbags (or anything else) but could this one date from the 1930s (early) as a para-military (SA, HJ or one of the other dozens of non-Wehrmacht uniformed/equipment bearing organizations? I mention it without seeing a photo of the whole item only because it looks too me like the D ring has traces of nickel plating.....very common to these later bags, but I have not seen this on a WWI issue example.

I also know on other items of equipment from these later groups one can find riveted buttons and other fitting so attached.

[Chip M]

I'm not so sure that "D" ring is plated, but even if it is, I think I have one or two period bags which have rings that look this way.

The cloth weave is very heavy an more typical of WWI. The brass belt hook and buttons are another indication of an early feldgrau bag, where you would occasionally see the old hardware. Phild may be correct, this is just my assessment based on the photo provided.

Chip

[rick1]

I'm Pretty sure this is an imperial bag, question is on the buttons. Here are more pics.

More pics.

[rick1]

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[rick1]

Do the additional pics add any insight?

[Chip M]

I don't think there is any doubt that this bag is pre-1919. I think it is very early, possibly late 1914, early 1915. I doubt brass hardware would have been used to refurbish a bag that was barely used in the first place. For me, the buttons are original to the bag.

Chip

[rick1]

I don't think there is any doubt that this bag is pre-1919. I think it is very early, possibly late 1914, early 1915. I doubt brass hardware would have been used to refurbish a bag that was barely used in the first place. For me, the buttons are original to the bag.

Chip

Thanks chip! You confirmed what I thought. Interesting no one has any other examples. Wonder if it was just this one maker.

[Chip M]

Unfortunately, the maker stamp is unreadable, so there is nothing to be gleaned from that. During the period that I believe this was made (1914-early 1915), there were all kinds of material shortages and an urgency to get equipment produced and out the door. This riveting may have been no more that a temporary stopgap to speed up production. As the demands for equipment lessened somewhat by production catching up with demand, they might have dropped this method and gone back to sewing them on. There was also the government decrees that these types of metals be withdrawn from use, where steel, iron or zinc could be substituted.

Chip

[rick1]

Makes sense....so I believe this breadbag to be made in that short period of time, as you said late 14 early 15, when the wars production demands picked up...interesting, I think I'll hold on to this one.

[Chip M]

I think I'll hold on to this one.

If you still have doubts, I would be happy to take it off of your hands.

[rick1]

What would be the appropriate canteen for this bread bag? At this time period woudl it still be the 1907? Or was there a transition model this early.