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    Fake aging on re painted helmets and other stuff

    Would you say that faked aging on any repainted helmet is inherently dishonest? Not that the creator is being dishonest of the buyer but the piece itself?

    This trend also exists in other areas like the jeans Teens buy in the store.

    I see a new one cropping up in musical instruments, there are 1951 Fender Bass re issues they call relics with faked aging and wear.

    In general is fake aging and wear dishonest without calling anyone involved dishonest?
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    I suppose it depends on whether the intention of the person doing the aging was to deceive and profit by that deceit.

    Chip

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      #3
      Originally posted by Chip M View Post
      I suppose it depends on whether the intention of the person doing the aging was to deceive and profit by that deceit.

      Chip
      I think that is a totally separate issue from the piece itself. While the creator might not have ill intend in mind when he fakes the aging on any given piece, helmet or anything else, someone down the road may or may be fooled by it leading to the piece itself becoming the liar. Or is my logic flawed?

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        Originally posted by PlaceOfBayonets View Post
        Would you say that faked aging on any repainted helmet is inherently dishonest? Not that the creator is being dishonest of the buyer but the piece itself?

        This trend also exists in other areas like the jeans Teens buy in the store.

        I see a new one cropping up in musical instruments, there are 1951 Fender Bass re issues they call relics with faked aging and wear.

        In general is fake aging and wear dishonest without calling anyone involved dishonest?
        Yes IMO

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          #5
          Your talking about two seperate issues reproductions fill a need for people who can't or unwilling to pay for originals.

          A reproduction or copy only becomes a fake when someone represents it as something it isn't.

          Humans are basically a rotten lot William don't lose sleep over it ie: when we sell a house do we point out the damp area in the basement or hope the buyers don't see it covered up a chum told me he bought a 'Mini' but its a BMW that vaguely looks like a Mini so BMW are a bunch of fakers. lol!

          Eric

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            #6
            Application of artificial aging and patination to a new or restored object, when not done to deceive, is something that is done for aesthetic reasons. Some people want and appreciate the worn look of something that is old, without necessarily wanting to own a possibly fragile or rare antique. If we look at objects as being purely functional, then artificial aging seems to have no valid purpose. But if we can appreciate the aesthetics of an object, then fake wear and patina becomes no different than any other finish or treatment that can be applied to make something more appealing to look at. Carnival sideshow gaffs like the Fiji Mermaid were artificially aged when they were made many decades ago. Those old gaffs are now very collectible objects. Is Barnum's "Fiji Mermaid" dishonest because it is not a real mermaid, or is it an honest example of the propmaker's art?

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              #7
              Well Chris I don't want a sideshow gaff maybe Chelsea supporters buy em.

              Eric

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                #8
                Eric, I don't want one, either; I don't want pre-aged jeans, for that matter. But there are people who do like these things, and that's OK. I don't think that an artificially applied patina is any more dishonest than a fresh coat of paint on an old chair.

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                  Chris
                  I know what you mean on old reproductions of antiques ageing looks cool and today some are highly collectible in their own right.
                  Its a difficult question to answer really imo we just have to tool up for the bad people.

                  Eric

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                    #10
                    I think at the point faked aging fools one person it became dishonest.

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                      Is iron pyrite dishonest if someone saw it and thought it was gold once? Is Venus dishonest if someone saw it in the sky and thought it was a UFO? Am I dishonest if an acquaintance mistook me for my brother? Some things are simply not what they seem at first glance. Dishonesty does not necessarily play a part. Something deliberately aged to deceive is certainly the product of a dishonest mind. But things are what they are; a new object with an artificially distressed surface treatment is what it is, and the perception of any given person does not change that fact.
                      Last edited by CWP; 10-03-2013, 03:37 PM.

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                        #12
                        Agree with Chris
                        I've a haube copy made 30yrs ago by an individual who went to a lot of trouble making them with orig. hardware because we could only find pin head sizes to wear. Was he dishonest? nonsense the dude was as straight as a die all were sold as copies.
                        These are questions for the community forum imo its too heavy talking about morals on this 'show and tell' part of the forum.

                        Eric

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Hoss View Post
                          Agree with Chris
                          I've a haube copy made 30yrs ago by an individual who went to a lot of trouble making them with orig. hardware because we could only find pin head sizes to wear. Was he dishonest? nonsense the dude was as straight as a die all were sold as copies.
                          These are questions for the community forum imo its too heavy talking about morals on this 'show and tell' part of the forum.

                          Eric
                          I did not raise the honestly of any human in this thread only the piece. PS, I did not want to hear from the Community, just you guys. I can only take so much trolling a week
                          Last edited by PlaceOfBayonets; 10-03-2013, 05:15 PM. Reason: adding

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