Stahlhem 1916 Fake, hoax, or master piece ?

[cousette]

What do you sink about it

http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...torefresh=true

Fake, hoax, or master piece ?

For me it's a actual do it yourself

My website
http://fake-hunter.forum-actif.net/forum.htm

[Hoss]

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[Hoss]

Its a M16 by Siemens u. Halske (rare maker).
I,ve never seen anything like it. For sure a one off.
Incredible realized price: 2779euros! ($3418)

Eric

[cousette]

thanks

thanks Eric to have put on line pictures.


for this helmet it's seen that sommeone have given a patina to apply some talc on wet helmet.

The painting have any peeling. I have wrott an article about the paint of the early 20 th century.
They have made with vegetal seccative oil (i dont know the english word, seccative : is the natural polymerization of oil, for example the linen oil). Those oils become with time oxidized, and get a dark colors.
And those paints are very fragile. Normaly they will be peeling in the contact surfaces.

In 1920 cellulosic paint (the actual using) appear they are more resistant.

An the sweep's helmet seen to much mint to be good.

In a forum, a french "expert" have identify a rare hlelmet from a little sturmtruppen unit....

And sorry for my english speaking.

[Hoss]

Thanks Cousette
Very interesting infomation on the paint.
So its a copy?

Could you look at this helmet, for an opinion?
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=439233

Thanks
Eric

[ROBB]

Square Dip it would have fooled me, looks fine . Rob

[Hoss]

Square Dip it would have fooled me, looks fine . Rob

Huh?

Eric

[C. Roelens]

Very interesting helmet... never seen anything like it. Tough to find maker and size, and, in really good condition. Paint looks really good also... somebody did an excellent job on it if it's not original. Do you like the "heart shaped" patch of yellow on the front.

Chuck

[C. Roelens]

Huh?

Eric

It is not a Square Dip. I know you knew that Eric.

[cousette]

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It is not a Square Dip. I know you knew that Eric.

What is a square dip ?

thanks for the answer

[C. Roelens]

What is a square dip ?

thanks for the answer

Scroll down to Eric's thread "Is This a Square Dipper" dated 5-19-10. Excellent examples are posted.

Chuck

[PlaceOfBayonets]

What am I missing here? I see nothing to say it's not an original war time paint job. Peeling? None os my original camos ever peeled. I see no peeling on this one??

I think it only looks like a square dip cause it's a small size.

W.

[cousette]

thanks chuck

What am I missing here? I see nothing to say it's not an original war time paint job. Peeling? None os my original camos ever peeled. I see no peeling on this one??

I think it only looks like a square dip cause it's a small size.

W.

thanks Chuck for the reference for the squarre dipper.

I use the terme "angular shape" versus "smooth shape".
This helmet is not a squarre dipper. But the it isn't the problem.
The question is about the painting authenticity. For me it's show all the characteristics of a fake.
In the best case, it would be a post war painting (1920's or more recent).

I classifie the "buntfarbenanstrich Stahlhelm" in 3 groups.
The first : "the war time product".
The second : "early post war".
The third : "the fake".

The first are rare. And made by the german's sordier.

The second are more commun, and specialy in the state's. They would be painted by the samy's nearly after the war. I tell it "the post-war trench's craft".

If you done a statistic on the number of "cam's helmets" who are been selling on the world. The 3/4 are on the US' market, some in France and very few in Germany.

Why ? The principal german collector in the WW1 were the samy's. The only way for them to realize the war for their family's in the USA was to bring back a souvenir from the war.
For the "Tomy's and "french's Poilus" the german are cactarerize by "Pickelhaube" Untill 1916 and after by the Feldgrau Stahlhelm.
The AEF is totaly efficient on early 1918, and fight "in spring's offensive, and victory offensive". The "buntfarbenanstrich Stahlhelm" appear in early 1918, then for the samy's those helmets seen to bee more caracteristic of german's helmet than other country's.
They have collected in priority those type of helmet, but they have painted themself a important number to send to their familys.
Those helmets that we can telling " Souvenir's helmet or commemorative's hemelt's" are caractérize by on authentic helmet, with old paints and no peeling (the trench ware a very abrasive circles for the linen's paint (who are very fraglie, the renactor can do the experience with natural pigment an linen oil and their helmets)).
They are not "fake" but post war trench's craft.

And the third , are the fakes. They have done only on commercial view's.