M17 Camo on e stand

[PlaceOfBayonets]

Felt this one needs some discussion. I'll open by saying I never like to see a badly degraded inside with a good condition outside.

What do you guys think?

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=406527

[jerryrehr]

Good helmet!!!!!

Jerry R.

[C. Roelens]

This is what I think. To begin with... The photos are not very good. The overall condition of the inside of this helmet is in near relic condition, and the outside retains 95% original camo paint... to me that is also a red flag. I don't see any original feldgrau paint underneath the camo. In pic #6 the paint wear around the rim does not look natural. I would also expect to see paint loss around the crack/split area. Both front rivets look out of place... poor condition... no paint. If the paint is that good on the rest of the helmet there should be some original paint on those rivets matching the surrounding area. Sorry, but this is one I would not pursue as a wartime camo. IMO paint is post war.

Chuck

[SLIM]

Why is it that hardly any period fotos of these helmets exsist but yet camo ww1 lids are offered for sale everywhere ?

[PlaceOfBayonets]

I don't like the liner pins either chuck. Unlike the WWII pins made of aluminum this helmet has no real excuse for missing that much paint on the pins.

Too many flags too high a asking price. My gut says the camo is post war but I'd also invite the seller to post better photos in the sunlight if he can get it this time of year and post the in place of the current ones.

W.

[PlaceOfBayonets]

Why is it that hardly any period fotos of these helmets exsist but yet camo ww1 lids are offered for sale everywhere ?

There are more period photos of camo's then you might think but even without them you had the 1918 offical army directions on how to paint them. That is enough to trust there are plenty out there. But there are plenty of fakes too and all the putstanding ones stay in collections till the collector's death.

W.

[Adam S.]

I agree that there is a disconnect between the condition of interior and exterior. After a closer review of the current pictures the colours seem a little 'off.' This could be the photos but we'll see if/when more pics are posted.

IF this is a fake camo job I would say it's one of the better ones though. The aging looks better than a lof of the fakes we see. JMO.

[Glenn McInnes]

It looks fine to me.







Glenn

[PlaceOfBayonets]

I agree that there is a disconnect between the condition of interior and exterior. After a closer review of the current pictures the colours seem a little 'off.' This could be the photos but we'll see if/when more pics are posted.

IF this is a fake camo job I would say it's one of the better ones though. The aging looks better than a lof of the fakes we see. JMO.

From the photos the paint looks too smooth in texture. New photos should tell all.

W.

As of now it reminds me of this bad one I bought once. And I think this one is a better fake if the e stand is also?

[C. Roelens]

Why is it that hardly any period fotos of these helmets exsist but yet camo ww1 lids are offered for sale everywhere ?

There are plenty of photos, and much documentation that the Germans painted their steel helmets during the war.

Chuck

[David Guist]

Hello could it be posable that the paint job was done anlong time ago? Lets say the 60s or 70s? I have to say the inside just realy doesnt match the outside. Best regards.

[C. Roelens]

It looks fine to me.







Glenn

After the last couple of years of discussing WWI German camo helmets on the Imperial Headgear Forum a Moderator finally steps in. Am I now to think that since god gave his blessing on this helmet its a good one, and needs no further discussion?

[PlaceOfBayonets]

Hello could it be posable that the paint job was done anlong time ago? Lets say the 60s or 70s? I have to say the inside just realy doesnt match the outside. Best regards.

Of course that would be the case. Some of them are hard to spot. Sometimes they were painted by vets and artists in the 20's for the tourists coming into France. Those examples are the hardest to tell form Combat worn.

The Helmet may look ok but the inside shows very poor storage conditions and the outside does not. The Money does not add up right there. I looked at the rim of the helmet that chuck pointed out. It does not show a normal wear pattern.

I would not buy the helmet and suggest anyone who does verify it with German Hellmets Inc or some other service.

W.

[Glenn McInnes]

Am I now to think that since god gave his blessing on this helmet its a good one, and needs no further discussion?

Of course not,just giving an opinion.




Glenn

[PlaceOfBayonets]

Speaking of Moderators Glenn! We don't have any active moderators in this forum. It hardly needs one as you can see. Nothing gets out of hand here however we'd like to have a leader and at least an official greeter here.

Can you get the ball rolling on a mod here? I've nomiated Chuck and Hans in the past. If you need two I'd be willing as well.

W.