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    pickelhaube - Colberg 1807 - value?

    pickelhaube - Colberg 1807 -

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    Last edited by newyork; 05-20-2009, 02:01 PM.
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      #3
      never saw this combination before???
      colberg eagle with gard star ???
      this helmetplate was only used for a very short period during the war
      grts,

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        #4
        Hello,

        this helmetplate was only used for a very short period during the war


        Never seen !

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          #5
          According to the reference book I have, this wappen was only worn by the 4th Battery of the 1st Battalion of the Garde-Fussartillerie-Regiment.

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            #6
            Hello,

            Thanks !

            Officer's crown, Officer's Perlring, but no stars on spike base, and Guard star not enameled...
            May be Fahnrich ?

            What is your reference please ?

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              #7
              Hi

              I agree with: "only worn by the 4th Battery of the 1st Battalion of the Garde-Fussartillerie-Regiment"

              At first, I had some surprise when seeing this helmet

              But, patina, gilted parts, combination of pieces,...to complicated to be a fake.

              In this case, the seller would have cleaned and restored easily this helemet.

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                #8
                Sure... But...

                What is your reference, please ?
                Larcade , Book Nr 2 ? Page 152 ?

                Knötel, Pietsche, Colas, Tafelband III, Tafel 129 ?

                Why only "1rst Battaillion", Garde Fuss artillerie Regiment ?

                I see : 4. Batterie...

                Pietsch, T. 2, page 176 :
                "Colberg Band, 1861 (1914 getragen von 6. artillerie 3, 3. reitende Feldartillerie 10 (s.a. 30), 2. Feldartillerie 26, 4. und 1. u 2. reirende Feldartillerie 35. 3. Fussartillerie 2)"

                What else ?




                I think this Fahnrich helmet is wonderful !
                Last edited by JR92; 06-01-2009, 02:19 AM.

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                  Originally posted by JR92 View Post
                  Sure... But...



                  Larcade , Book Nr 2 ? Page 152 ?

                  Knötel, Pietsche, Colas, Tafelband III, Tafel 129 ?

                  Why only "1rst Battaillion", Garde Fuss artillerie Regiment ?

                  I see : 4. Batterie...

                  Pietsch, T. 2, page 176 :
                  "Colberg Band, 1861 (1914 getragen von 6. artillerie 3, 3. reitende Feldartillerie 10 (s.a. 30), 2. Feldartillerie 26, 4. und 1. u 2. reirende Feldartillerie 35. 3. Fussartillerie 2)"

                  What else ?




                  I think this Fahnrich helmet is wonderful !
                  I was using "Imperial German Headgear (1888-1914) Field Guide" by Turnetti and O'Connor, page 136, and it shows this wappen as being used only by the 1st Battalion, 4th Battery, Garde-Fussartillerie-Regiment. Now later in the book, on page 181, it shows that wappen and it simply states 4th Battery, so I don't know which is correct. You are correct, the Colberg Band was used by several other units, but this is the only one with the Garde wappen that had the Colberg Band, according to the book I have. I'm afraid I don't have any of the other works you cite, so I don't know what they say.

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                    Thanks Mike !

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                      Mike,
                      you expressed some confusion about the two references to the Guard Fus A R Batln I, Batterie 4 and just the use of Batterie 4 in my book Imperial German Headgear. There were 2 Batlns in a Fus AR, I had Batt 1 to 4 and II had Batt 5 to 8, (this is similar to the orgainzation of an Infantry regiment with 3 Batlns and 12 Companies, 4 Companies per Batln, 1 to 4, 5 to 8 and 9 to 12). So you know what Batln you are refering to by the number of the Batterie.
                      Jim Turinetti

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                        #12
                        Rarety of this helmet

                        This helmet, (Guard Eagle with Colberg 1807 banner) was only worn by 0.03% of the army in 1914. On the eve ov WWI there were approximately 768,000 men and officers under arms. The Foot Artillery had 1,232 Officers, 5,207 NCOs and 28,000 EM. Your helmet is configured for an NCO. There were 24 FusAR, so 5,207/24=217 NCO in a regt, and since only one battery was authorized to wear this banner, 217/8 (8 batteries in a FusAR) - only 27 NCO wore this helmet. If the average NCO had 2 helmets,(at the most) there were about 54 of these around at the beginning of the war.
                        Historical note: This Honor Banner was awarded to the 4th battery of the 1st Batallion of the G.Fus.A.R. on 1 July 1852 to be worn above the eagle. In 1861 the Honor Banner was moved from above the eagle's head to below the talons, as shown in your photos.
                        This is a really rare helmet. You are truely fortunate to have found it.
                        Jim Turinetti

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                          Originally posted by jturinetti@woh. View Post
                          Mike,
                          you expressed some confusion about the two references to the Guard Fus A R Batln I, Batterie 4 and just the use of Batterie 4 in my book Imperial German Headgear. There were 2 Batlns in a Fus AR, I had Batt 1 to 4 and II had Batt 5 to 8, (this is similar to the orgainzation of an Infantry regiment with 3 Batlns and 12 Companies, 4 Companies per Batln, 1 to 4, 5 to 8 and 9 to 12). So you know what Batln you are refering to by the number of the Batterie.
                          Jim Turinetti
                          Jim,

                          Thanks for the explanation! I love your book, I use it all the time.

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