Bavarian Belt Buckle Question

[Fred Borgmann]

A friend of mine recently showed me a Bavarian belt buckle he found. It has a brass body with a high relief silver color Bavarian coat of arms roundel. I have been looking every where I can think of and can't find a thing about it. My guess is that it could be a WWI or before NCO buckle. Can any one confirm or correct me on this? Thanks, Fred

[morel5000]

Hi Fred,

can you post a picture?

Check here for ww1 buckle ID:

http://www.das-koppelschloss.de/

Best regards,

Michel

[Fred Borgmann]

Hi Fred,

can you post a picture?

Check here for ww1 buckle ID:

http://www.das-koppelschloss.de/

Best regards,

Michel

Thanks Michel. That is a nice site but the badge is not listed there. I have some good scans I could send you since I can not post them here. Fred

[W.Unland]

Hello,

There were at least three issue dates and three different sizes.

Here is the M1848 on the above site, if you check in the other date sections you can see which buckle is closest to your friend's. The M48 is larger than the others.

http://www.gott-mit-uns.de/shop_startseite.htm

W.Unland

[Fred Borgmann]

Hello,

There were at least three issue dates and three different sizes.

Here is the M1848 on the above site, if you check in the other date sections you can see which buckle is closest to your friend's. The M48 is larger than the others.

http://www.gott-mit-uns.de/shop_startseite.htm

W.Unland

Thanks, nice site but this belt buckle is not listed there. Here is a link to scans of the belt buckle my friend has, feel free to download it and repost it here if you can. http://freds.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=4392201 Thanks, Fred

[David North]

Fred

I think that you may find it very interesting in trying to identify this buckle.

Images from your link are attached.

I have scoured the few reference works which embrace nineteenth century and onward German buckles and with no joy. I cannot work out the size of the buckle, or the size of the gap between the claws.

The pin looks as though it has been replaced and the method of fixing the roundel is worthy of comment. It appears to be silver soldered on rather than attached by solder holes or tabs.

My guess is that the buckle is not military and instead, civil or administrative related.

Regards,

David

[David North]

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[Fred Borgmann]

Many thanks David! Here are some observations to help out the experts. Buckle is 61.3 mm wide and 47.3 mm tall. The roundel is 44 mm in diameter, and 7 mm tall. It has the motto "GOTT MIT UNS" below the Bavarian arms. The roundel also may be silver or nickel plated. On the back side the prongs are 23.8 mm wide on the outside and 18.55 mm wide on the inside. The catch is 21 mm on the outside and 16 mm on the inside. Thank you all for your help. I hope some one can pin this one down for us. Fred

[David North]

Fred

You may wish to drop a line to either Sven Janke or Bill Xanten, who are both experts in this field. Alternatively, you could post the buckle on the "Belts and Buckles forum". If you would like myself to do the latter on your behalf, then please let me know.

Regards,

David

[Fred Borgmann]

Fred

You may wish to drop a line to either Sven Janke or Bill Xanten, who are both experts in this field. Alternatively, you could post the buckle on the "Belts and Buckles forum". If you would like myself to do the latter on your behalf, then please let me know.

Regards,

David

Thanks again David. If you know how to transfer this to the belts and buckles forum please do so. If this would be a lot of work I could ask the moderator to do it since he would know an easy way to do it. Are the two experts you mentioned members of WA? I could send them links to this thread. Fred

[BryanD]

Fred

I think that you may find it very interesting in trying to identify this buckle.

Images from your link are attached.

I have scoured the few reference works which embrace nineteenth century and onward German buckles and with no joy. I cannot work out the size of the buckle, or the size of the gap between the claws.

The pin looks as though it has been replaced and the method of fixing the roundel is worthy of comment. It appears to be silver soldered on rather than attached by solder holes or tabs.

My guess is that the buckle is not military and instead, civil or administrative related.

David

I believe that your buckle is an enlisted land customs buckle.

[Fred Borgmann]

I believe that your buckle is an enlisted land customs buckle.

Thanks, that sounds very possible!

[David North]

Fred

I will post images of the buckle and a link to this thread on the "Belts and Buckles" forum.

Regards,

David

[Chip M]

Yes, it's not a military buckle, but rather that of a Bavarian civil servant.

Chip