White Navy "Waschmuetze" SMS Prinzregent Luipold cap questions!

[Sergeant 08]

Who can tell me more about this kind of Navy cap? It is a cap of the SMS Prinzregent Luitpold (well known because there was a rebellion of soldiers on the SMS Prinzregent Luitpold in 1917!)

[Sergeant 08]

It is complete flexible cap like a Krätzchen, soft cotton material. I read it was called "Waschmuetze". Why? For which service activities it was worn by soldiers?

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What is a correct Kokarde for this kind of cap? A normal Kokarde with prongs?
I saw a similar cap on a dealer website (with a Kokarde with prongs). The problem is, I can not see a hole for a Kokarde with prongs on my cap?

[Sergeant 08]

Or the other Kokarde for Kratzchen? Who can give me an advice

[Chip M]

Sarge,

This cap took a special pressed paper Kokarde, which was sewn on. Here is a picture of one. They are very hard to find. It was sewn on with black thread and was positioned so that it just touched the top welt on the tally channel.

[CSForrester]

The cap is called "Waschmütze" because this style of cap could be washed, even in cooking water.
The blue caps from wool could not be washed.
The white "Waschmütze" was used as a summer-cap from April until Oktober and also for service on board, under deck etc for example by stokers. Because it could be washed ............
Your cap has an inventory-stamp
Bekleidungsamt Wilhelmshaven (B.A.W.) with the date when it was added to the inventory, and the head size 60cm. The cockade was usualy sewn on, the prongs would have been broken when removed for washing. In front, inside the lower ring should be a small pocket for a metal-stripe to rise the cover and to give the cap a better shape.


Regards
CSForrester

[Sergeant 08]

The cap is called "Waschmütze" because this style of cap could be washed, even in cooking water.
The blue caps from wool could not be washed.
The white "Waschmütze" was used as a summer-cap from April until Oktober and also for service on board, under deck etc for example by stokers. Because it could be washed ............
Your cap has an inventory-stamp
Bekleidungsamt Wilhelmshaven (B.A.W.) with the date when it was added to the inventory, and the head size 60cm. The cockade was usualy sewn on, the prongs would have been broken when removed for washing. In front, inside the lower ring should be a small pocket for a metal-stripe to rise the cover and to give the cap a better shape.


Regards
CSForrester

Thanks for the informations! Yes the small pocket exist, but the metal stripe was lost! I think the size 60 cm is very unususal for that time. I know caps in such sizes existed, but the most soldiers had very small caps in the Imperial army. Maybe the soldier was a 2 metres guy

Here is a white cap in wear!

[Sergeant 08]

Sarge,

This cap took a special pressed paper Kokarde, which was sewn on. Here is a picture of one. They are very hard to find. It was sewn on with black thread and was positioned so that it just touched the top welt on the tally channel.

The Kokarde could be a problem....

My cap shows clearly small stitches! I own a small collection of Kokarden for such cases, but I'm sure I don't own this Kokarden pattern. I searched the internet and I found two similar caps. The first one with a Kokarde with prongs and the secound one with the known Kraetzchen Kokarde (which was sewn on).

Chip, what is the Kokarden size (in cm)? The same size like a Kraetzchen Kokarde?

[Chip M]

Sarge,

In my opinion, neither the prong backed, nor the standard sew-on Kokarde would be correct. I was lucky enough to purchase a grouping of navy items that had a loose Kokarde in it. That is it in the picture. Perhaps we can work something out?

Chip

[Sergeant 08]

OK Chip! PM sent

[Sergeant 08]

By the way, here is another one (offered by a dealer). Again a Kokarde with prongs! It seems the most original Kokarden were lost. Today collectors use the other Kokarden to complete the caps.