I just picked this up. I have not done anything to the handle but did wipe off the blade, and stopped some rust on the drag. W.K.& C., with a distributors? name on the top edge of blade. Scabbard is beautiful blue. Any comments are welcomed. Anyone have any knots for this? What color backing etc.. does the hanger have on it? I think I payed too much, what kind of value are they?
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Terry Keller
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first part of distributors? mark
MATTH. MULLER KGL.HOFL.LEIPZIGTerry Keller
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I translate it as Matthew Muller, by the Kings Courtesy, LeipzigTerry Keller
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Mueller was pretty big. I have a wonderful catalog of his in very good condition. Swords were not his mainline. He seems to have sold every thing under the sun related to military stuff.Comment
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Hi Joe,
Great looking catolog! Thanks for the pic. If you ever want to get rid of it please keep me in mind.
Yours,Terry Keller
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No one knows what knot goes with this? Hanger co;ors?
What is the price range?Terry Keller
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Terry,
Any of the enlisted cavalry Faustriemen would go nicely with it. Normal Esk. colors were white, red, yellow and blue. This would be best suited for a private purchase knot. Enlisted men would have had just a plain leather sword hanger. Were you thinking that this is an officer's piece? I don't think that Saxon cavalry officers would normally have carried the 1889 pattern.
I can't give you a value, but I can tell you that Saxon examples of this pattern are more scarce and thus more valuable. A regiment etching on the blade would have made it more interesting to collectors. It appears to be in wonderful condition. Congratulations.
ChipComment
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Terry; Is it a mounted or a foot sword? Curved or a straight sword? The 115 Saxon Guard Unit had all silver mountings on their uniforms & etc. If a foot sword quite a rare piece. Unless all Saxon swords had silver finnishes. Just a guess on my part. H.H. JerryComment
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Hi Chip,
I beleive it is NCO or officer as it is not an issue piece, but a private purchase. It is a Saxon Cavalry Sword, according to the books I looked at. Do you know where I can get any knots for it? Even a remake.
Thanks,
jerryrehr,
The books all just call it a (K) Kavilier (D) Degen Model 1889, it has a quill back type blade. There was a (I) Infantrie (O) Officier (D) Degen Model 1889 and it is completely different.
Thanks,Terry Keller
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Terry,
I did a little more looking into this and Saxon officers did not carry this sword. That would make it an enlisted or NCO piece (they bought custom swords too!).
Issue Faustriemen are quite scarce and rarely come up for sale. I have been collecting for over 40 years and have bought every one that I could afford and all I have is five. Your best bet would be one of the current reproductions. They are actually quite good and mimic the private purchase style knots. There are a few German dealers of reproduction items that sell them. greatwar.com has a real Württemberg NCO example (private purchase) for $99.50 (item #GR10064) just to give you an idea of what you might end up paying. Good luck.
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Hi Chip,
I did some more research and from what I found in Johnson's "Collecting The Edged Weapons Of Imperial Germany Vol. 1", there were officers that carried this sword type(K.D.M89). The ones listed as being carried by Officers and NCO ranks were, Uhlan, Hussar, and Jager zu Pferde. The ones I found carried by only other ranks were, Dragoon, and Bavarian Chevaulegers. Can you post a picture of the knot types that would be correct, both officer, NCO and OR. I will most likely buy a new made one.
Thanks for the info so far,Terry Keller
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Terry, I echo Chip's opinion. As much as you want this to be an officer's sword, it just is not. Officer's swords have typically sharkskin grips wrapped in wire and other features. The officer's version is quite different. Sachsen Ulanen and Husaren officers did not carry this. The pattern you have is very specific for non-commissioned troops. What is most odd though, is that why on earth would anyone buy a saber with a huge engraved manufacturer's name on the blade? My opinion, is that this is a salesman's memento, or a window display piece, or even something for the factory Matthias M******252;ller in the showroom. But it would not have been bought by a solider and carried. Those pieces have regimental names and motifs.Comment
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Exact same sword, different state.Comment
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