Honor Pukol

[TP Alexander]

Is this one real??

This is a description of a like item that was up for auction on a website.

German WWI Navy equivalent of the Army Air Force Honor "Pokol". An Honor Award for becoming an aviation "Ace". Darkened bronze, three-dimensional figure of two eagles in combat. Figures are mounted on a 5" blackened wood base with a tapered base and platform. Darkened silver, laurel leaf draped plaque with "Dem Sieger im Luftkampf". Overall height 10". The awarding of this honor represents a Navy pilot gaining four victories over enemy aircraft. A rare variation or late war award. Worthy of further research. II

[VtwinVince]

These are extremely rare, and come in a couple of variants. I don't have my research material handy (moving), so I can't comment on whether the individual checks out or not, and these have been heavily reproduced.

[Hagrid]

The engraving looks good and the man is on the list for getting the award in december 1918...
But I´m not in the situation to judge the eagles:
Like Vince wrote - more (good!) copies than originals around.
If original it´s a real "precious", that has to be paid for accordingly!
Regards
Hagrid

[VtwinVince]

I think Hagrid is right, we need detailed shots of the eagles. I think the base and plaque have potential. Where is Jaba1914 (Alex)?

[TP Alexander]

Thank you for all of the replies.
I'll have to see how things develop with the owner.
Tim

[jaba-the-hunt]

A very interesting piece.
Holm was an observer while he gain the Ehrenpreis. He got the Ehrenpreis on 21th Nov. 1918 while he was in training to pilot at II. SFA. I don't have information about his victory is documented.

The awarding of this honor represents a Navy pilot gaining four victories over enemy aircraft. A rare variation or late war award. Worthy of further research. II

This is not correct. The Ehrenpreis was awarded for the first victory during the war. For the second victory a new plaque was mounted on the reverse of the wooden podest.

Kind regards
Alex

[TP Alexander]

Additional photos were provided...

[TP Alexander]

Hopefully, these additional pictures can help in determining its authenticity.

[jaba-the-hunt]

This is a stunning piece.

Kind regards

[Gary B]

Here is a plaque to compare with (from Ratisbon's auction)

Gary B

[Gary B]

A very interesting piece.
Holm was an observer while he gain the Ehrenpreis. He got the Ehrenpreis on 21th Nov. 1918 while he was in training to pilot at II. SFA. I don't have information about his victory is documented.



This is not correct. The Ehrenpreis was awarded for the first victory during the war. For the second victory a new plaque was mounted on the reverse of the wooden podest.

Kind regards
Alex

As I understand it the preis was not just awarded for aerial victories but could be awarded for other significant acts such as the sinking of a ship. The pries with 2 plaques that I have seen have the one on the front with the name of the recipient while the reverse plaque had details of the event i.e. sinking of a ship.

Gary B

[Gary Symonds]

Id love to own one.

How much do they cost?

[TP Alexander]

Id love to own one.

How much do they cost?

Weitze’s has one asking for around €25,000 and Ratisbon sold one for €20,000 at auction, before the premium was added on.

I didn’t get the stuff.
Too much stuff and I couldn’t swing the investment.
The guy was shopping it around and I know who got it.
Tim

[VtwinVince]

Great piece, love the look of those eagles.

[blind pew]

Weitze’s has one asking for around €25,000 and Ratisbon sold one for €20,000 at auction, before the premium was added on.

I didn’t get the stuff.
Too much stuff and I couldn’t swing the investment.
The guy was shopping it around and I know who got it.
Tim

The ehrenpries is a pretty cool award. However, $28K cool? It's weird to pay that much cash for an award that does not hold the merit of a pour le merite or a military max joseph award. Perhaps an ehrenbecher to a plm recipient with kills engraved (one can never tell who did such engraving or when) would be a notable award as well.

I guess I wouldn't be too sad about one getting away. Further, given all the fakes (there is one that has been on german ebay for years) I would not buy one unless Carsten Baldes had taken a look at it.

What was the final price for the one you were looking at?