These are not my specialty so I'd like some thoughts/opinions on it please. Also an approximate value would be nice, by private message if you want. Thanks in advance.
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Looks like a good cross to me. -- PM sent. -
I agree, a nice award piece and of some considerable value.
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Thanks for the replies.pseudo-expertComment
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Personally, I don´t think this is awarded cross.
The hinge, pin, and the A-core variation speaks for later time period of manufacture (I would say after 1900).Comment
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Loth type silver marking was only used till 1886, so can't be later than that.Originally posted by Miro O View PostComment
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The hinge is definitely late, fourth in line at best. First was thin barrel hinge, then similar one but slightly wider and thicker. Third one was a barrel again, but supported with a thin silver plate. If you look at the hinge of the cross in question, it is definitely WW1 type (which naturally was introduced well before WW1, but became well known and widely used during that time).
Same with the pin. Awarded pin was thin round wire, slightly tapered to the end. Second in line was the similar one just thicker and tapered more steeply. Then came the third Wagner pin, quite similar to this one, but apparently thinner and with slightly different curves (and without snake tongue top).
Finally, the A-core, the variation with thin 0 in date, is always seen on late A-type EK2s. Their glossy finish also speaks for later era - and it is not unusual to see them painted.
But regardless of the opinion whether this cross is from 1900 or 1886, the point is, it is in my opinion not an awarded cross. We can speak (as we always do with A-cores) about awarded type here, but not about awarded piece.Comment
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Since it is vaulted I didn't believe it was an awarded cross. As far as I know only flat crosses were awarded.
Bottomline is that it is a nice original cross missing from most collections.pseudo-expertComment
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I didn´t comment on vaulting because I was not sure from the pics, whether it is hand vaulting or factory one.
Personally, I have no problem with private purchases in any era, and the EK1 1870 that I have is privately purchased piece as well (second type pin and hinge, slightly vaulted, with sidehooks, without marking). When I obtained it, I had to sell the awarded piece, as I can´t afford to keep more than one EK1 1870 in my collection. For me the condition went over the award thing. The awarded piece was heavily worn with repaired catch, this PP piece is top notch, apart from one sexy core crack.Comment
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IMO the needle is very similar to a Zimmemann needle.Comment
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Yes, it is. But it can be just a question of retail, which is another sign of more later era.Originally posted by Green View PostComment
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Before making statements that can destroy some cross or the deal with it, you should answer yourself a few questions:
1. Is the silver content (colour shade) of the pin matching the rest of the cross?
2. Does the pin fits in the space reserved for it on a hinge?
3. Does the hinge-pin look messed with?
4. Is this a pin length that we should expect on 1870 crosses?
5. Is this the only unusual (or non-typical) pin seen on Wagner 1870 crosses?Comment
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You are absolutly right..... with your questions you answered my questionOriginally posted by Miro O View Post
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The Wagner & Sohn EK I 1870 is an original EK from the official awarding period until 1873. The EK has the known variant type of iron core with a flat crown and relatively wide crown frame.
The condition is moderate, the pin probably contemporary replaced and the iron core likely blackened in later times. The hinge is original and typical for Wagner EK I 1870 from the second awarding period, because the simple roller hinge did not prove itself under heavy use.
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