1813 ek2

[Don D.]

A member would like this cross to be discussed.

[Don D.]

Reverse

[Dansson]

Even if crude and worn it's in my opinion a fine multi-piece frame awarded cross.

[Don D.]

Thank you. Again, any and all comments would be appreciated. These are not my area of expertise.

[VtwinVince]

Looks like an early issue, with the nice, crude cast core. I like it.

[gregM]

I would add it to my collection without even think twice about it.

[Green]

It is maybe the way the cross is photographed.....everthing has the same patina.....gray and shiny! I do not about the 8, but this mostly a point with 1870 fakes.

I am not a expert on 1813 crosses. But these things make me doubt, even thougt its an artificial old made cross.

Perhaps photographing the piece in a different way, gives a whole different view of it.

Anyway... it seems to be a good very worn 1813 cross, but that does not really come into its own!

Just my personal opinion on this piece

[Don D.]

Here is how a good piece dies: https://www.militaria-fundforum.de/f...08304-ek-1813/

Dumbasses on another forum who don't know what they are talking about have tainted it for all time. It will now always have a cloud hanging over it. Better that it has never existed imo. This is what I hate about collecting.

When the cross returns I will dispose of it.

[Green]

Also the ribbon makes some people suspicious! I am convinced that is a good 1914 ribbon but some not. See this topic:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=981938

[Don D.]

Of course that is not the original ribbon but that is the ribbon that came with it. I would have loved to own a piece of original 200 year old ribbon but what is the chance of that? The cross will be disposed of once it returns. It will not bother anyone again.

[morel5000]

Don, please don't destroy it.

[Don D.]

If it is a fake it has to go.

[Forssmann]

If it is a fake it has to go.

Agreed. You would be saving someone a hell of a lot of money who might purchase it down the road not knowing its fake.

[morel5000]

I dont believe its a fake.

[VtwinVince]

I hope our resident expert, Trevor, chimes in on this one. Although I'm a member of that forum, I generally ignore what people have to say there, as there are a number of idiots who can't resist pontificating.