G e r m a n not brit 'lusitania' medfal

[inimicus]

I've been studying up on these medallions and it seems I have a rare original german one: part of goetz name (barely) legible on rim, unmauts where they should be, and thin cross section. also, lots better detail and definition than the cast british ones. I also have a couple of those and did a comparo

anyhow, what do you wonks say, please? much appreciated!

[inimicus]

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[inimicus]

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[inimicus]

note the skeleton's lattice background, on the brit examples it's really indistinct

[inimicus]

nearly 40 views and no comments - hey is it crap or a good one, real or not, please men a little help here much appreciated!

[Ferg 1]

I think there are no comments because no ones sure ! I did a research on these a few years back and it seems that there are lots of copies even from Japan !
All I could filter out from it was the true German ones are always bronze not iron and a lot thinner than the usual seen , and of course the spelling of may as ‘mai’ .
I believe there are fake bronze ones too. Like all things desirable the waters are well and truly muddied ( no pun intended ) so tracking down a ligit one is tricky.
Ferg

[inimicus]

cheers, fern! points - including pun - well taken. bit of a minefield for sure. but I've three others, all 'fat" brit ones, and they're pretty crude by comparison.

all these from the same estate of a WWII us naval reserve officer who also was with the us maritime service / us merchant marines, and later cdr. of a us naval intel unit and after that
defense attache (read DIA).


maybe the smithsonian coins and medals div. has the answer

I think there are no comments because no ones sure ! I did a research on these a few years back and it seems that there are lots of copies even from Japan !
All I could filter out from it was the true German ones are always bronze not iron and a lot thinner than the usual seen , and of course the spelling of may as ‘mai’ .
I believe there are fake bronze ones too. Like all things desirable the waters are well and truly muddied ( no pun intended ) so tracking down a ligit one is tricky.
Ferg

[inimicus]

dam waf spellcheck strikes again! sorry Ferg not fern!

[Ferg 1]

No worries !
Ferg

[tompress]

Looks not bad. Original by Karl Goetz in bronze should have 58 mm diameter (in silver 56,4 mm)

http://www.karlgoetz.com/ImageDetail.aspx?idImage=91

regards
Tomasz

[inimicus]

thanks a lot, Tomasz! I guess 'not bad' means most probably real, yes?

[gregM]

I've never seen one before. Real or fake.

[tompress]

Please compare also here:

http://www.karlgoetzmedals.com/Produ...?ProductId=637

http://crestviewcable.com/~archy2/eb...k156/k156.html

and here:

https://www.ma-shops.com/hardelt/ite...ng=zh&curr=EUR

[tompress]

And here the British one

[inimicus]

thanks, tom, for the extra infos I really appreciate it!