Bav 3er Medal Bar Recreate

[Indyarch]

Hello all. I am wanting to recreate this medal bar with the medals it would have had originally. It came with the MVK 3 w/crown. The MVK does not appear to have had swords removed. I'm interested in your comments on the following:

1. MVK - It appears that the ribbon bar was designed to accommodate a MVK w/crown as the clip on that ribbon is higher than the EKII & LS ribbons. Thus creating a level appearance of the bottom of the medals. Is it correct for the MVK without swords to have been issued on this ribbon?

2. EKII - To make it more historically correct, is there a certain EKII maker that should be on this bar? I ask because of the MVK in first position. Obviously a loyal Bavarian and likely assembled there against the EKII in first place regulation. (Or would assemblers do whatever the paying customer asked?) Therefore, a maker from southern Germany? Or a KO?

3. What LS award would be most likely? I have them all (9, 12, 15, 24 yrs).

I also note that the reverse pin clasp is on the opposite side from what is the norm. I have seen this before however.

Rest assured that I am not creating this to sell as an original piece. I am simply reconstructing it for my personal collection and want to try to be historically accurate. Thanks in advance for your input.

[VtwinVince]

I agree that there should be a MVK3mdK in the first position, however with swords, as this is clearly a wartime bar. I would guess a nine year LSD would have hung on the end.

[Indyarch]

Thanks ME109. Was it possible for a cross without swords to be issued on that ribbon? (peacetime awards??)

[VtwinVince]

It's not possible for the peacetime class, without swords, to have been awarded on the 'war ribbon', this ribbon was white with a single blue stripe on each edge. I suspect your cross is missing the swords. If you post a closeup of that area, it should become clear.

[Indyarch]

Thanks. I always forget about that ribbon. I always think of the Beamte ribbon. Agreed then, it should be a MVK w/swords and crown. I guess now I can make it 1st, 2nd or 3rd class.

I've attached closeups of the MVKIII's angriffe for review. There is discoloration on both sides but the "wedge hole" doesn't appear damaged or miss-shaped as they usually do from the peg of the swords attachment. I think this could be a real MVK III w/crown.

[VtwinVince]

I'm pretty sure you have a regular piece missing the swords. There is evidence of the finish being rubbed by the swords. A real one would be quite a find.

[otter76]

I'm pretty sure you have a regular piece missing the swords. There is evidence of the finish being rubbed by the swords. A real one would be quite a find.

I agree. Better chance the swords are missing than the opposite. Picture is quite clear.

[Indyarch]

Thanks guys for the input. Much appreciated.