unmarked FR - Help please

[gregM]

I'm trying to identify this cross for a friend.
To my eyes, it looks like a "FR" . If someone sees something else, plese
feel free to set me straight.

Thanks for your help,
Greg

[Miro O]

It can very well be a FR imo.

[gregM]

Thanks Miro.

[otter76]

That kind of straight pin and hardware is a trade mark to all Friedlaender.
And I do recognize the core as well as one of the standard ones used by this maker

[gregM]

Thank you

[römischIX]

I think so too,

But for me FR stands for Frank & Reif, Stuttgart.

[gregM]

I think so too,

Thanks

[Don D.]

I assume the makers FR and Fr are still separate individual makers?

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=263078

[gregM]

I assume the makers FR and Fr are still separate individual makers?

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=263078

I always believed that they were different companies. I have seen lots of
examples of both crosses and on a lot of the 1st class, the hardware is different
between them. Most noticeable, the hinge block. Also, one has a smooth
core while the other uses a pebbled core. Even the frames are slightly different.
One has nice well defined beading while the other is more sloppy.

All that being said, this does not hold true for every example.

In trying to find a match to the cross that I posted, I found an old thread where
Chris B and Sascha make a good point about them being the same company.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ht=Friedlander

so, I'm still not sure but I do trust Sascha's opinions.

I would be interested in seeing what others might have to say.

[Green]

This is what I found and know about the marking F.R

Until 1922 the products of Rothe & Neffe were hallmarked with 'FR' placed in a rhombus (Amtspunzierung registration number 711; II/158). Over the same period Christian Rothe also used the hallmark which was entered under his personal name in the register of workshops of the Viennese Assay Office (Amtspunzierung Wien). His personal hallmark was in the form of the letters 'FR' placed in a rectangle, with a dot between the letters (Amtspunzierung registration number 722; II/158). This hallmark appeared on decorations made in the early period of workshop production.

F.R Christain Rothe..jpg

[gregM]

FR made some wonderful Austrian awards but did they make iron crosses?
I guess, I would like to see a known FR made and marked Austrian award
and a Iron cross either 1st or 2nd class with the exact same mark in high
res similar the the one just posted by Green. We've seen ones that look close
or somewhat similar but nothing that is a 100% -no doubt about it match.

Green--great picture BTW.

[Green]

FR made some wonderful Austrian awards but did they make iron crosses?
I guess, I would like to see a known FR made and marked Austrian piece
and a Iron cross either 1st or 2nd class with the exact same mark in high
res similar the the one just posted by Green. We've seen ones that look close
or somewhat similar but nothing that is a 100% -no doubt about it match.

Green--great picture BTW.

For the record.......it is not a picture made by me........so the credit goes to the maker by these

Just find the link to the same information I find a couple of years ago:

http://gmic.co.uk/topic/43319-austri...onal-comments/