U-boat badge

[aktinium]

Hi,


is this badge with this hinge a well known variante?


thanks for all comments


Stefan

[Don D.]

Juncker

[collecting]

... this is not a piece from the time of the Great War. It may be a legit post war variation.
Best; collecting

[aktinium]

Now I'm a little confused.


Is this one made after WWII? I think it can be made after WWI.


Is this one an official production?

[Don D.]

Probably a 20-30s piece. Here is an earlier, possibly wartime example.

[collecting]

The badge, introduced on 1 February 1918 with Naval Decree No. 4, was designed by the artist Walter Schott. This artist - in special favour of Wilhelm II - was not only specialized in designs, but also had a large artist's workshop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Schott

Because of the relatively narrow circle of recipients and the late period of the war, it can be assumed that Klaus D. Patzwall https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_D._Patzwall
rightly writes in "Das Kaiserliche U-Boots-Kriegsabzeichen" that "At least all submarine war badges from the award period ... (were) stamped on the back with the name of the artist "Walter Schot(t)".

According to Gordon Williamson's 2013 research, Walter Schott's workshop was also the manufacturer and supplier of the badge during the official award period. The majority of the badges available today would thus be products from the period after 1920.

To clarify another legend. The green colour on the Schott badges is not a patina, but an artistic colouring. Where it is missing, it was probably "cleaned" away by someone who didn’t realized this. It is also said, that during the period the green color wasn’t appreciated by the recipients, because it reminded them to a deep-sea grave.
Best;
Collecting

[tompress]

Hi,

I suppose, this one below is the same manufacturing, as Stefan's badge.

Badge shown by Don is a little different (crown hasn't cutouts and the hinge is longer).

Are both Juncker attributed?

reagrds
Tomasz

[Don D.]

It is a Juncker as well. I believe the cutouts were done by the recipients.

[tompress]

It is a Juncker as well. I believe the cutouts were done by the recipients.

Thank you, Don

[Norm F]

I would say Stefan’s badge is early WW2 production era.

More on the Juncker Imperial U-boat badge here:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=726358

Those additional hand-cutouts are intriguing. Since you see two examples posted in this thread, and since Juncker early WW2-era award production is characterized by variable hand cutting of interior margins (as opposed to standard machine trimming in later production), it’s quite possible that they were produced at the factory that way with the extra cutouts for a small production run.

Best regards,
—-Norm