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    Interesting EK2 & Citation Signed By Blue Max Holder Von Hügel

    EK2 & Citation Signed By Blue Max Recipient Von Hügel.

    Quite a good piece of history I think?

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    Very nice EK II & Citation.....Congratulations

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      #3
      It should read 'Gefreiten', not Gefreiter.

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        #4
        The signature is a printed facsimile. It doesn't take away from the historic interest. But, it does impact the value.

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          Originally posted by bolewts58 View Post
          The signature is a printed facsimile. It doesn't take away from the historic interest. But, it does impact the value.
          Hi, I'm sorry, it's 100% ink written as many have looked & under a loup too.
          It's even ink smudged in places.

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            Originally posted by Moore-Grant View Post
            Hi, I'm sorry, it's 100% ink written as many have looked & under a loup too.
            It's even ink smudged in places.
            Well short of examining it under a loup, I can't be 100% sure. However, there are several breaks in the letters throughout the signature that are inconsistent with ink flow even if faded, but consistent with a printed signature in which the printing plate or stamp didn't have enough pressure for an even imprint.

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              #7
              This type of EK2 document has been heavily faked in recent years.

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                Originally posted by ME109 View Post
                This type of EK2 document has been heavily faked in recent years.
                I sort of thought that too, as I've seen it several times before with the same signature. But, being that I'm not an expert on EK docs, I hesitated to say.

                You're correct that it should be Gefreiten. I didn't notice that before now. Such an obvious mistake is enough to make me doubt this doc, as I don't think a German would make such a typo. So, I've just edited this post.

                Chris Boonzaier is probably the most knowledgeable EK doc collector I know and therefore, would likely be able to say definitively whether this is good or not.
                Last edited by Brian L.; 09-28-2018, 01:53 AM. Reason: additional info

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                  Originally posted by bolewts58 View Post
                  I sort of thought that too, as I've seen it several times before with the same signature. But, being that I'm not an expert on EK docs, I hesitated to say.

                  You're correct that it should be Gefreiten. I didn't notice that before now. Such an obvious mistake is enough to make me doubt this doc, as I don't think a German would make such a typo. So, I've just edited this post.

                  Chris Boonzaier is probably the most knowledgeable EK doc collector I know and therefore, would likely be able to say definitively whether this is good or not.
                  IMO Gefreiter is written correct:

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gefreiter

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                    #10
                    No, it should be Gefreiten. But, that doesn't necessarily mean it is fake. I'd like to see close-ups of the sig.

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                      #11
                      It is a dative construction, no real German would write Gefreiter in this way. And the colour of the paper is wrong.

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                        #12
                        Yes , I looked at several citations and you guys are right, it is Gerfreiten......my mistake, sorry!

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