silver-gilt Wurtenberg medals

[McCulloh]

Detlev for the last fortnight has had a bar with a "silver-gilt" Wurt. bravery medal on it. Neal O'Conner wrote that these medals were "at best" wearing copies, produced much after the war. The real medals were Gold and are rare.
I am interetsed in this notion though. When were they produced? 1920s-1930s? 1960s-1970s? Were they made because the gold ones were so valuable and the wearers either kept the real ones safe at home or sold them for bread (etc.) in the famines of 1919-21? Are they so recent as to be considered 'model 57s" or fakes?
Anyone got more information on this topic?
Thanks,
JeMc

[JensF.]

The awarded (!) medals were all real gold. In the beginning 800 and the last ones in 333 gold. All were stamped with the hallmark in the rim. There are "Spangenstücke" which were produced after the war by Meybauer in Berlin. The "original" ones are without a die-maker "K. Schwenzer" and in bronze gilt. There are some privately gilt pieces in gilt silver with die-maker, but there are faked or "updated" ones also!

[JensF.]

Here are three medals:

First one in bronze gilt without die-maker

Middle: Silver gilt with die-maker "K. Schwenzer" (= Karl
Schwenzer, Stuttgart)

Right: Silver with die-maker

[Dave Danner]

A three medal bar. The Golden Military Merit Medal is bronze- or silver-gilt, without the "K. Schwenzer"; the Silver Military Merit Medal is silver, with the "K. Schwenzer".




Dave

[JensF.]

Btw. the Golden MMM was such a high award for valor that it was placed in order of precedence BEFORE a Friedrichsorden, Knight 2. Class with swords and the owner got a honorary salary.

[stogieman]

Golden medal

Hi Guys, I've had a late war one in real gold, but the number was not stamped on the rim, it was stamped 333 on the suspension ring of all places! Not the big one, but the little one soldered to the medal itself!

[stogieman]

And the reverse

Back side of a real gold one. Obverse did have designer details.

[stogieman]

Silver one on the bar!

Here's a nice one of the silver medals on a post 1934, but pre- Honor Cross issue era. I've seen lots of Wurtt. Bars like this with clip-on medals.

[JensF.]

The mark could be on the ring too. Do you still have this rarity in your collection stogie?

[Mike H.]

What would this have been awarded for on a red/black ribbon?

[JensF.]

The medal with the red/black ribbon is only the Merit Medal (civilian).

[Mike H.]

I have a ribbon bar (no medals) with the black/white EK ribbon, and a red/black ribbon in the Württemberg pattern. What could this red/black ribbon be for?

[Daniel Krause]

Hi Mike,

red-black can be the order of the crown, the olga-order or the silver merit medal or the silver merit cross. Please post a pic or make a better description, that we can ID this ribbon.

Best regards

Daniel

[Mike H.]

Hi Daniel,

I don't have a digital camera or a scanner to take a photo, but it's a regular 2-place ribbon bar. The first ribbon is the standard EK Prussian war ribbon. The second looks like the 3rd ribbon to the right on this link:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/Keilbach/Orden/index.html

Any ideas?

[JensF.]

So it might be the Württemberg Crown Order.