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    #1

    Iron Cross 1813 -finally!

    Hello!
    Thanks to the kindness of a fellow forum-member I was able to add the missing piece to my little Waterloo grouping :
    An IC II 1813, presumedly the five-part model from the last awarding series 1834 with the non-stepped core (that are shadows on the pictures...)
    Just to comfort myself:
    Do y´all have any issues with it or do you think it´s fine? It has a somewhat shiny finish like it´s laquered of sorts (?) plus minor corrosion...
    Thank you for any input!
    Regards
    Hagrid
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    Last edited by Hagrid; 02-02-2018, 05:52 AM.
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    Here´s a view onto the (closed) eyelet and a snapshot of the cross in it´s natural habitat
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      #3
      A beautiful piece, in my opinion consistent with the "C6" type of F. Heyde in "Max Aurich" Collection.

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        #4
        Congratulations with finding finally your Iron Cross of 1813
        Maybe the former owner put a drop of oil on the core, to preserve the cross. This could give a bit of a shiny finish!

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          #5
          Hi Hagrid,

          Can you provide precise measurements in mm?

          If you have an 1870 EK2 (or even a 1914 EK2) can you take a photo with both crosses next to each other?

          Many thanks.
          Best regards,
          Streptile

          Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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            #6
            Hi Streptile!
            The result of the measurement: 41.7 mm both ways
            The picture was hard to take due to german Ragnarök twilight conditions
            (i had to use the flash - I hope that whatever you wanted to see is visible...)
            Regards
            Hagrid
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              #7
              Thanks Hagrid.

              In my opinion your cross is a nice piece but was not made during the award period.

              The core is from the award period (and was in my opinion cast at the Gleiwitz iron works), but the frame of the cross is from the later 19th C.

              Earlier pieces have different frame types with a smaller overall dimension, more tightly spaced beading (average = 30 beads/cm) and usually a rougher overall appearance.

              I have seen this before (early core + later frame) and I think it's possible that the original frame broke and the piece was later repaired, or that the cross was manufactured later as a replacement piece.
              Best regards,
              Streptile

              Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                #8
                Oh, Streptile, that´s no good news...
                When purchasing this cross I was guided by the contents of this
                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=944202
                thread, understanding that a frame replacement took place, but during or prior to the "Vererbungsserie" 1834!
                @ Elmar: Does the book tell us anything about the timeframe for the pieces you mentioned in your two posts (C6 and C1)?
                If you can´t post attachments (what would be very helpful) you can send them per email and I´ll do it for you -let´s PM...

                I´m so insistant because I would try to revoke the deal - just in case...
                Thanks for your input!
                Hagrid

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Hagrid View Post
                  Oh, Streptile, that´s no good news...
                  When purchasing this cross I was guided by the contents of this
                  http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=944202
                  thread, understanding that a frame replacement took place, but during or prior to the "Vererbungsserie" 1834!
                  Hi Hagrid,

                  I have the same opinion of that cross, which was also stated in that thread by Dansson:

                  Originally posted by Dansson View Post
                  Core is OK. But I think the frame isn't Ok for an 1813 in my opinion.
                  It looks more like an 1870 Alphabet frame than the 1813 frame.
                  Best regards,
                  Streptile

                  Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Hagrid View Post
                    @ Elmar: Does the book tell us anything about the timeframe for the pieces you mentioned in your two posts (C6 and C1)?
                    If you can´t post attachments (what would be very helpful) you can send them per email and I´ll do it for you -let´s PM...
                    I will upload photos and information about these crosses for you.

                    C6 (which has the same core type as yours) first.

                    IMG_8069.jpg

                    IMG_8074.jpg
                    Best regards,
                    Streptile

                    Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                      #11
                      Now C1.

                      IMG_8070.jpg

                      IMG_8072.jpg
                      Best regards,
                      Streptile

                      Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                        #12
                        Both C1 and C6 are considered award-type 1813 EK2s.

                        Hope this helps you.
                        Last edited by streptile; 02-04-2018, 12:30 PM.
                        Best regards,
                        Streptile

                        Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                          #13
                          I agree with Trevor on this one. I was going to share my same thoughts on
                          the thread showing WaltherW's 1813 but Elmar Lang made his post
                          causing me to doubt myself. I have been proofed wrong a fair bit lately
                          so I decided to keep my opinion to myself.

                          IMO early crosses have a much higher bead count on the frame than the 1870 - 1914s.
                          Last edited by gregM; 02-04-2018, 12:44 PM.

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                            #14
                            Thanks a lot for quoting the illuminating pictures - I see the differences....
                            I only wish I´d had these detailed informations earlier (i.e. when Walther´s cross was discussed)...I could live with a repaired/replaced frame from the 1834ties, but after 1870 is too far of the target for my taste.
                            I hope I can give the cross back ( ...or does someone want to buy it??)
                            Regards
                            Hagrid
                            Last edited by Hagrid; 02-04-2018, 01:09 PM.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Hagrid View Post
                              I only wish I´d had these detailed informations earlier (i.e. when Walther´s cross was discussed)
                              Yes, I missed that thread.
                              Best regards,
                              Streptile

                              Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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