Bavarian 2nd Class, Exist??

[ERIC LIN]

Dear All

today I met a Bavarian 2nd Class without swords but with Crown.

Is this grade ever exist in the period? or simply the swords are missing?

There is no signs of swords device ever inserted into the hole.

any comments are welcome.

thank you

[ERIC LIN]

Back of the Cross




There is no signs of swords device ever inserted into the hole.


thank you

[tompress]

Hi,

yes, the cross with crown and without swords has existed. But at your one the swords were removed. The hole on a cross originally w/o swords looks different.

At this moment I have only w/o crown and w/o swords, but the hole in both versions looks same.

Greetings
Tomasz

[tompress]

And here is one with crown but without swords (sorry for quality, but I have scanned this picture is from a book).

Together four variants of 2nd class (3. Form after 1913) have existed:
1. with crown and swords,
2. with crown without swords,
3. without crown but with swords
4. without crown and swords

[ERIC LIN]

Hi Tom
thank you for your comments.
However, is there any example that my kind ever awarded as without Swords by removing the swords??

[tompress]

Hi Tom
thank you for your comments.
However, is there any example that my kind ever awarded as without Swords by removing the swords??

I don't suppose.

Besides, there is something odd with this medal bar. On the first place we have a "Beamtenband" (officials ribbon) for non-military persons. And later the Iron Cross on combatant ribbon and long service medal...

greetings
Tomasz

[tompress]

PS. Please notice also, that the EK ribbon is really well used, and this of MVK in very good condition.