Concerns regards to Medal bar on sale

[Husaren14]

http://www.gielsmilitaria.com/index....roduct_id=3136

Before I start please visit the rink of the medal bar.

Just in case here's the photo of the website if you can't use the rink



It's kinda nosy to write this but I think this need to be pointed out for my plan on this medal bar.

As you can see if you know well about the German states medals, the second from the left medal doesn't matches with ribbon which is simply we can say wrong, fixed, violated or even covfefe.

For those who don't know well, that yellow ribbon indicates the awards of Reuss or Waldeck und Pyrmont, however the medal attached is for post world war 1 veteren award(Kyffhäuser-Denkmünze für 1914/18).
And as far as I know I'm not that much good at inter-war awards, after the creation of 'Ehrenkreuz des Weltkriegs 1914-1918' which is located on the 3rd from the left, it was not permitted to wear 'Kyffhäuser-Denkmünze für 1914/18'
But the medal bar has both I can insist this is totally wrong also in the description it says 'No repairs , no damage', since the awards orders are wrong we can easily assume someone put the second medal in later, you can spot he or she sewed on it if you take a look at detailed photo on the website.

Yet although there was an error can be easily spotted they just put them on sale with 'No repairs , no damage' for 175EUR, we can't put a price on history but I personally think this is not that much good prices for putting up a stuff with defection and insisting it's has no damage even if it has issue.

And I know that Giels militaria is putting a great job on world war 2 medals, even if they are only specialized on TR awards but this is pretty disrespectful on WWI and German states collecting area, I mean it's so easy to notice it is wrong and at least can say it was modified.

So I'm planning a little restoration plan on this medal bar if it's possible to get them for fair price since I have wearers copy(Zweitstück) type of Waldeck Verdientkreuz but many of you would point out it would be more likely to be Reuss state medal and I also think so, but I don't have any Reuss state medals and I think I'm the only one willing to restore this, so Waldeck seems fair enough and it was supposed to be on medal bar because of its type.
Regards to this matter I would appreciate some advice on restoring medal bars and any comments or concerns are welcome, also I don't mean to call a name on Giels militaria but what it is, is what it is. Even though they got lot of brilliant EKs.

And if my restoration project get arranged I'm willing to post the process here.

So thank you have a great day fellow Kaiserzeit collectors now I have college to attand..

[Claudius]

Hello Husaren14;

I think it would be a fine restoration project. And you absolutely correct, the second medal is not the Kyffhäuser and is very likely the Reuss War Merit medal, with swords.

It will look outstanding when you get the right medal in there.

Good luck and please let us see your progress....once the school year is complete and you have the time to work on it.

[Husaren14]

Hello Husaren14;

I think it would be a fine restoration project. And you absolutely correct, the second medal is not the Kyffhäuser and is very likely the Reuss War Merit medal, with swords.

It will look outstanding when you get the right medal in there.

Good luck and please let us see your progress....once the school year is complete and you have the time to work on it.

Thanks for your comment!
I'm trying to negotiate the price, so far no reply from them yet maybe they could refuse if they also bought it for not fair price..

Let's just see what happens!

[kaiserwilhelm2]

Hello Husaren14;

I think it would be a fine restoration project. And you absolutely correct, the second medal is not the Kyffhäuser and is very likely the Reuss War Merit medal, with swords.

+1

Medal Bar is already fairly priced

[Jesse]

It's definitely Reuss and not Waldeck..

[Husaren14]

It's definitely Reuss and not Waldeck..

Thanks for your attention.
As I said in the main article I also think so, and anyone can assume easliy because Waldeck is rare in any case but somehow I don't have Reuss but Waldeck and theoretically both Reuss with swords and Waldeck without swords has same ribbon so unless if I happen by Reuss later only available choice is Waldeck and it is at least way better than keeping that Kyffhäuser thing for the medal bars fate I hope you understand my point.
And I just wonder who the hell ripped the Reuss off from that bar..

+1

Medal Bar is already fairly priced

Thanks for the comment.
Price is relative matter, and I wish to make perfect preparation for the restoration it will gonna eventually cost more than that price if I prepare materials such as thread that medal bar deserves and so on, also the Giels shipping price on USA is not as much like order them from other EU places just like going for a grocery and pick the fruits being sold in different currency and the medal bar itself doesn't have much merit with missing of the second medal which is most important, other medals are very easy to find on other medal bars and after that I also have to decide what to do with that ringless Kyffhäuser, with all this conditions as for me finding other complete medal bar could be better option so I would say at least worth a shot to negotiate.

So it is fairy priced but they insisted it has no repair no damage even if it isn't I'm sure they can do better that's all nothing else!

[Don D.]

The Reuss medal is easy enough to find to do a correct restoration.

[Husaren14]

The Reuss medal is easy enough to find to do a correct restoration.

Yes, you are right!
But finding the best one to put in is the what matters, for now I can only find awarded piece or things with case and so on gotta find something that would belong to medal bar.
I hope I happen by perfect one for bar later.


Anyway I just had progress with negotiation of prices, Giels militaria agreed to sell them for 140eur and with extra medal bar materiel for restoration from Rettemaier stock even though I already making preparation on that matter.
It was rather pleasure to do business with them, I never expected them to give me extra restoration material and discount!
I'm really glad that they made the right choice on this kind of matter.

So let's say they are cool.
Now I have to make full prepare for medal bar, any advice on preparing material and required skill would be appreciated.

[Husaren14]

So far I made some preparations on materials, I did my best effort to only use good old fashioned things fits on medal bar made in mid 1930s.
1.Polish silk thread Black/White
2.100% Cotton thread Black
3. J.Reimann Berlin medal bar hanger stock from 1930s
4.Waldeck-Pyrmont VerdientKreuz 4.Klasse possibly could be made by Zimmermann according to the book, however book only showed Godet examples not Zimmermann so not sure how Zimmermann one actually looks like IMO likely to be Zimmermann or just hope it's not fake.
Planning to change to Reuss medal when it's possible.

[Don D.]

What is the difference in height between the Reuss medal and that Waldek cross?

[tompress]

What is the difference in height between the Reuss medal and that Waldek cross?

Reuss medal with swords is ca. 45 mm high (without the ring)

[Husaren14]

What is the difference in height between the Reuss medal and that Waldek cross?

Medal heights should be also I should concern in this matter when I exchange them and Giels militaria promised to send the Rettemaier hanger for medal bar well I should choose the best shape for them..
And basically both states medals same classes are pretty similar to each other.
So if I change in to Reuss lowest medal height might be problem, but crosses would be less complicated since pretty same.

[Husaren14]

Reuss medal with swords is ca. 45 mm high (without the ring)

Seems like swords took a lot of space, I never had any chance with lowest class of Reuss or Waldeck myself.

If it was the Waldeck medal lowest class without swords changing into Reuss medal with swords that would have been the more bigger problem.

[Husaren14]

Just for fun(?)
Here is the Godet made Wadeck 3rd class and Unknown but likely to be Zimmermann or something else 4th class I'm trying to use on medal bar restoration.
Maybe I might post a thread only dedicated to this Waldecks..

[Husaren14]

Medal bar is on its way!
But thank you customs service! You picked a right college student in hurry to mess with!

No idea how late would be, If I can't get this thing until 26, I'm gonna be busy for wrapping up college, that means can't restore real quick.
Let's see what happens.