A prussian order of st.john

[ZiG]

A PRUSSIAN ORDER OF ST.JOHN; CROSS OF THE LEGAL KNIGHTS IN GOLD BY GORGE HOFSANER
consult me : original or no ?


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[CRBeery]

Mine is the same as this one but mine is guilted bronze. Looks good to me.

[gregM]

Great looking orders
The closest thing I have is a should board to one of the working class.

[ZiG]

is it rare cross and what can be price (wanna sale it) ?

[streptile]

A PRUSSIAN ORDER OF ST.JOHN; CROSS OF THE LEGAL KNIGHTS IN GOLD BY GORGE HOFSANER
consult me : original or no ?

Looks authentic so far but we really need better photos.

The maker should be HOSSAUER, not HOFSANER.

If the order is original, gold, hollow and correctly marked, and if it's really a Hossauer, the set should be worth about $2500 - 2750. But this piece does not appear to be a Hossauer, but a Zehn piece, to me.

Johanniter Rechtsritterkreuze are not the most valuable Prussian orders -- in fact a WWI-era Zehn example can usually be had for about $1500 (uncased) or so, even in superb condition. A great WWI-era case is worth maybe $350. But Hossauers are the most desirable (far more desirable than the more common, and later, Z-marked Zehn pieces) and command a hefty premium. Hossauer was effectively out of business (having been bought by Sy und Wagner) before WWI. Therefore any orders from this jeweler are early and uncommon.

Again, your piece looks to be a Zehn to me. The case seems to be consistent with that also: a WWI-era case commonly seen with Z Rechtsritterkreuze. A Zehn piece will be marked with a Z in the lower cross arm, just in the crook of the arm at 6 o'clock.

[ZiG]

Looks authentic so far but we really need better photos.

The maker should be HOSSAUER, not HOFSANER.

If the order is original, gold, hollow and correctly marked, and if it's really a Hossauer, the set should be worth about $2500 - 2750. But this piece does not appear to be a Hossauer, but a Zehn piece, to me.

Johanniter Rechtsritterkreuze are not the most valuable Prussian orders -- in fact a WWI-era Zehn example can usually be had for about $1500 (uncased) or so, even in superb condition. A great WWI-era case is worth maybe $350. But Hossauers are the most desirable (far more desirable than the more common, and later, Z-marked Zehn pieces) and command a hefty premium. Hossauer was effectively out of business (having been bought by Sy und Wagner) before WWI. Therefore any orders from this jeweler are early and uncommon.

Again, your piece looks to be a Zehn to me. The case seems to be consistent with that also: a WWI-era case commonly seen with Z Rechtsritterkreuze. A Zehn piece will be marked with a Z in the lower cross arm, just in the crook of the arm at 6 o'clock.

Plz can you explain where it mark must have ?

[streptile]

Plz can you explain where it mark must have ?

Hope this helps.

[Jelle M.]

Beautiful award. Curious bout the maker too.

[ZiG]

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yes order have Z. marked
But I dont understand : what does it mean about hollow , must empty inside ?

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[ZiG]

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20 gr as I see
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order in ideal condition + original box + original band

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[peterm]

Gold orders are 99.9% made HOLLOW! Otherwise much more gold would have been necessary (not economical) and the decorations would have been quite heavy...

Best, Peter

[ZiG]

What kind differents bettwen marks : The maker should be HOSSAUER, not HOFSANER.
On my order Z.
What does it mean : good , bad or what ? )))

Thx !

[ZiG]

Gold orders are 99.9% made HOLLOW! Otherwise much more gold would have been necessary (not economical) and the decorations would have been quite heavy...

Best, Peter

Yes I see you )))
All orders hollow or what is certain ?
20gr - hollow ?

[streptile]

What kind differents bettwen marks : The maker should be HOSSAUER, not HOFSANER.
On my order Z.
What does it mean : good , bad or what ? )))

Thx !

It means a difference in period of manufacture, quality and value.

Yours, a cased Z, is worth about $1750-2000. Of course this piece varies a lot depending on the buyer and seller.

A cased HOSSAUER would be worth considerably more.

[ZiG]

A-ha, now I see you )))
Thx !