WW1 Torpedo Boat badge or insignia?

[Felix C]

Was there a specific insignia for WW1 era German torpedo boat crews?
Came across a reference to a kleinen abzeichen in a memoir by a torpedoboat officer.

Well, it may be a reference to ship id based on the context of the sentence. Could go either way. Thought to ask here in any case.

[pauke]

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If you post the passage from the book it would be easier to answer.

[Felix C]

If you post the passage from the book it would be easier to answer.

I figured it our from the context. It was ship ID. Pardon that.

Does bring up the question, did minesweeper and torpedo boat crews have a unique uniform badge or insignia as submarine, naval airship, etc.?

[Claudius]

Does bring up the question, did minesweeper and torpedo boat crews have a unique uniform badge or insignia as submarine, naval airship, etc.?[/QUOTE]



No, they did not have a separate uniform badge.

[Felix C]

Does bring up the question, did minesweeper and torpedo boat crews have a unique uniform badge or insignia as submarine, naval airship, etc.?

No, they did not have a separate uniform badge.[/QUOTE]

Reading an online issue of Proceedings from 1916, a USN naval officers details the German torpedo boat service and indicates they, Torpedoboat crews, wore a special insignia. To quote, "The men wear an identifying mark on the cap, in addition to ordinary cap ribbons." p.1496, volume 42

https://books.google.com/books?id=LS...edings&f=false

[Claudius]

No, they did not have a separate uniform badge.

Reading an online issue of Proceedings from 1916, a USN naval officers details the German torpedo boat service and indicates they, Torpedoboat crews, wore a special insignia. To quote, "The men wear an identifying mark on the cap, in addition to ordinary cap ribbons." p.1496, volume 42

https://books.google.com/books?id=LS...edings&f=false[/QUOTE]

I was unable to bring up the link you posted to page 1,496, volume 42. I would have liked to have read it.

In 1916 the US wasn't at war yet and for an American vessel to come across a torpedoboat they must have been closer to German home waters or a colony.

To state it again, There was no official, breast badge, uniform insignia for German torpedo boat crews. Any "mark on the cap, in addition to ordinary cap ribbons" must have been the boat crew's personal specific identification. While it would not be official, it would be REALLY great to see one of those. Very unusual.

[Felix C]

Reading an online issue of Proceedings from 1916, a USN naval officers details the German torpedo boat service and indicates they, Torpedoboat crews, wore a special insignia. To quote, "The men wear an identifying mark on the cap, in addition to ordinary cap ribbons." p.1496, volume 42

https://books.google.com/books?id=LS...edings&f=false

I was unable to bring up the link you posted to page 1,496, volume 42. I would have liked to have read it.

In 1916 the US wasn't at war yet and for an American vessel to come across a torpedoboat they must have been closer to German home waters or a colony.

To state it again, There was no official, breast badge, uniform insignia for German torpedo boat crews. Any "mark on the cap, in addition to ordinary cap ribbons" must have been the boat crew's personal specific identification. While it would not be official, it would be REALLY great to see one of those. Very unusual.[/QUOTE]

Naval attache stationed in Germany would have had access. Have read their reports for other research. The link is to Google book free reading of Naval Institute Proceedings, Volume 42. Author of the article Reginald Belknap was naval attache in Berlin at the time.

[Chip M]

There was a special "insignia" on the caps other than the cap tally. Torpedo boat enlisted caps had carmine piping (as did the submariner's cap). The rest of the navy (with the exception of a special white piping) had no differentiating piping.

Chip

[Felix C]

There was a special "insignia" on the caps other than the cap tally. Torpedo boat enlisted caps had carmine piping (as did the submariner's cap). The rest of the navy (with the exception of a special white piping) had no differentiating piping.

Chip

I suppose that would be the attache's reference.

[Felix C]

There was a special "insignia" on the caps other than the cap tally. Torpedo boat enlisted caps had carmine piping (as did the submariner's cap). The rest of the navy (with the exception of a special white piping) had no differentiating piping.

Chip

By the way, Who wore white piping?

[Chip M]

The white cap piping was only worn for a short period before the introduction of the Zahlmeister-Aspiranten insignia.

Chip

[Felix C]

The white cap piping was only worn for a short period before the introduction of the Zahlmeister-Aspiranten insignia.

Chip

Thanks.

Are there any color, not colorized, examples of the carmine piping?

[Chip M]

Yes there are. Photos from private collections show the caps with the carmine piping worn by both the torpedo boat and U-boat crews. I you just google "imperial German navy caps" you can see one.

Chip

[Felix C]

Thanks found it. I dd not exactly know or visualize where the color was located on the cap. Thanks