Another reservist bottle

[jérôme]

Dear sir,
is this reservist Bottle is genuine
I think it is
All the buttons are relief, it is very well finished, and the bottom lets appear a picture











many thanks for you'r opinions
Best regards
Jérôme

[Gerdan]

Here you find more ifnormation on the Großherzoglich-Hessesisches Infanterie-Leib-Regiment Regiment Victoria Melita 117 - Mainz

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant...sches)_Nr._117

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant...ches)_Nr._117#
/media/File:Friedrich_Kellner_WWI_BeerStein_1907-1908.jpg


Gerdan

[Gerdan]

And here some information dealing with Victoria Melita the patron of the unit.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor...burg_und_Gotha

Gerdan

[jérôme]

Dear sir,

Many thanks for the links,
they are very interrested
this régiment fight near my house
best regards
Jérôme

[mailman]

Beautiful stein!

[GWA]

This one, like the other, is a modern reproduction.

[jérôme]

Are you sûre ?

I shall like having a longer answer.
Buttons are painted as so many details.
The lid shakes little and the part of the top seems it a little cleaned, but except it it seems to me everything made authentic.
Best regards

[GWA]

Take note of the list of the reservist's comrades on each side of the handle on the back. These names were originally applied by paint brush on top of the glazed finish after the initial glazing. On originals you will always see that the names on one side of the handle or the other are seriously worn down, often to the point that they can no longer be deciphered. Originals will also show ware to the raised buttons on the uniforms.

[Chip M]

Try as I might, I cannot find the service dates on this stein. This regimental cypher was only used for a short period of time, so I have my doubts that it would be one that would have been reproduced.

Unfortunately, the main telling feature of a reproduction stein, the lithopane, is not shown.

I don't necessarily agree that the unit roster in unworn condition means the stein is a reproduction. Wear all depends upon use. I only have three steins, but none of them have worn rosters.

Chip

[jérôme]

Dear sir,
many thanks for the answers

please note
here is one picts of the lithopane

All the buttons are on painted, the buttons of the courône also, rifle, sabres and the flag
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The name of the reservist is actually carried(worn) among the list of others



There is even two reservist which bear the same name and which are then numbered
But I do not see the period

[90th Light]

Nothing wrong with that. 101% original Imperial German Hessian stein

However, I agree with Chip there are no service dates. I also can not find them.

Of course that probably means he stayed in the unit and became a career soldier. He would have purchased his stein at the same time as his comrades bought theirs. They would have entry and exit dates on their steins because their full time training had come to an end. His service time was not ending, he was not leaving that line unit at that stage. Note the "9/117" at the end of the roster which means he is still in it. Thus this is a reasonably rare stein for this unit in more ways than one but not one of the most popular styles that collectors seek. That style/ shape was used from from approx 1897 to 1904 by many units. Your example is in excellent condition with very bright colours which is desirable.

As far as mint rosters of soldiers names on the side go, they are correct in every way for an original made before 1914. I have 65 Imperial German steins and state of the rosters on my steins range from completely worn off to brand-new, mint and straight from the box.

Overall it is an excellent example worth having in any collection

Chris

p.s. I do not think the two surnames names on the right hand side of the handle are the same spelling. However, one name is definitely your man. If two soldiers did have same name then they were roman numbered eg Smit I, Smit II, Smit III etc

[jérôme]

p.s. I do not think the two surnames names on the right hand side of the handle are the same spelling. However, one name is definitely your man. If two soldiers did have same name then they were roman numbered eg Smit I, Smit II, Smit III etc

I aggree
like this :


best regards
Jérôme

[ODW]

p.s. I do not think the two surnames names on the right hand side of the handle are the same spelling.

I read "Seitz" and "Spieß".
Spieß owned the stein.

The regimental cypher "VM" was used from 4.9.1897 till 14.2.1902.

On thought to the "stayed in the unit and became a career soldier" theory:
Then why is there written "RESERVIST Spieß"? Would´n he use his actual rank?

[jérôme]

So What ?
do you think it is genuine ?
Best regards
Jérôme

[ODW]

I only provided infos and asked a question .
I´m not much into steins, so i can´t say anything about period made or not.