Take a look at that "Fangs"-Godet

[ubisacco]

Found this one on german eBay and has been posted by Wölscher-Orden. Way to loose customers trust.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Preusen-Eiser...MAAOSwo3pWdx2e

[streptile]

It looks alright to me.

It's true it's not the typical Godet type with hooks, which is vaulted and marked. But it is a correct Godet cross with the right catch for private purchase Godet types, and although the hooks look a bit long, there are known variations in these small details. Also, flat Godets with hooks are known, albeit quite rare.

[wayne gosley]

The hooks seem to look ok, but the soldering is sloppy, all of the other fangs i have seen, have not been sloppy, just an observation,? Trevor, have look at the pin, does it seem to be thicker part of the pin seem fatter and lower, than usual? like the one the posted sometime ago on the waf, ?
Cheers
Wayne

[gregM]

The hooks seem to look ok, but the soldering is sloppy, all of the other fangs i have seen, have not been sloppy, just an observation

I totally agree. The fangs may have been added or repaired. The soldering is
not what I would expect from the factory. Other than that, the cross is
fine.

[wayne gosley]

Hi Trevor,
May I ask a question, when you mention private purchase godets,( I as not aware of a difference, as private purchase as to issued pieces) the question is, having a wider catch, does that include a different pin, comparing this one in the link below to the one that started the thread, as there are two differences, that i see.

comparing this cross
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=836176


Cheers
Wayne

[gregM]

here is mine to compare against---

[streptile]

Hey guys,

Good questions.

In my opinion, issue-type Godets were marked with a G and private-purchase types were marked with other marks, often GODET • BERLIN or JG&S.

The private purchase types were also usually but not always fitted with a catch made of a larger half-round wire (rounded on the outside and flat on the inside).

Pin shapes did change slightly with hand-finishing but often the issue-types had a sharp-end pin:

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... and private types had a slightly different pin shape with a rounded end:

IMG_2755.jpg

The cross under discussion here may not be made of silver, which could account for the way the solder (that joins the hooks to the backplate) has colored differently over time, or this could also be the result of an unusual environment. Solder that is a different tone than the silver it adhered to is certainly something we've seen many times before.

Who knows? I could change my mind based on more photos, but in my opinion everything about the cross under discussion here checks out so far.

[Mike Kenny]

I'm also of the opinion the cross is fine but the hooks are a later, poor quality, addition. Not one for me because of that in this case.

Regards
Mike

[ubisacco]

well, my view is that the length of the ground or cut section of the fangs that go soldered to the cross is way shorter than any supposed good example y have seen. And of course the cuality of the soldering is remarcable bad.
Any jewler at that time knew how to preheat before solder and more than that he would have known that you need to wash and neutralise the flux. Its elemental but fortunately many forgers dont care to do so.
My view of that. Someone trying to make a good (i wasnt shure so far, thanks for all the input) Godet, more costly to get a higher price.

[Montgomery Burns]

I find this thread amaysing ,,

first of all I would asked Sascha fore better pictures ..

closeup and side shots of the soldering of the fangs ,and soldering of the frame ,
they are conclusive and most important in identifying the workmanship on this cross ,,

pictures made with the lighting that sascha uses can be deceiving about the condition of the soldering ,,,
and about the whole cross ,,,,,,


and I wonder what took it so long before it came under the radar of the hunters of WAF ,,?


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[wayne gosley]

Sorry guys, i have been away for the long weekend here in Australia, (Our National Day).
As seen by the many in previous threads, Godets, are found with any combination of the 2 pins styles, 2 x clasps styles, and the 4 type of markings, flat and convex crosses.
I would think any combination of these could have been issue pieces, in flat crosses, when and how different marks, pins, c catches where applied, and the reasons why, will may never know, was a supply mistake, or intentional, experimental?,

And we have of course we have the obviously private purchases, consisting of convex eks with fangs and screwbacks, flat ek1's with fangs and screwbacks,, as usual, as we all know.

I think fangs are really a great looking cross, (tough looking). One of my favortites still.
Cheers
Wayne