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    Imperial Flight Badge - 800 Marked

    Hi Guys - This badge was sold by Carsten Baldes and I'm curious what the consensus is as to when these were manufactured. My understanding is that (generally) markings of Juncker badges faded over time - in other words they went from being marked with CE Juncker with moon and 800, to CE Junker with the missing arm on the E (but with moon and 800), to moon and 800 with no Junker mark, etc. So, would this 800 marked badge be from a time when the markings were going away - while or shortly before many badges went out unmarked? The interesting thing about this particular badge is the hinge - it seems like a late one - and I don't see anything exactly like it in Mr. Baldes' book. Perhaps the unmarked one on page 180 is the most similar.

    As you can see, my knowledge here is limited. I appreciate any feedback.

    Thanks,
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      Brian, This badge could be researched ad nauseam with a huge emphasis on guesswork. For the sake of discussion I'll mention several novice observations. This could be a so called distribution type meaning that hinge, pin, and catch were from outside suppliers and varied somewhat during the war. Then the badges were distributed to the many retail vendors not displaying any makers mark. Juncker made silver badges even as late as 1918 as evidenced by some known examples but their pilot badges only had one weap hole below the catch. Notice this badge has an additional hole in the crown well. The crown well looks to be the Juncker pattern and the hinge and upper pin resemble the Quadrat (CD) style. It would be helpful to know the weight and measurements of this badge if that is available. In summary, it's like learning a foreign language when trying to identify these variants. I'll be interested to hear what others have to say as to the date of manufacture and any theories as to the maker(s).

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        Really very difficult to date these things. I must respectfully disagree with the opinion regarding the pin being like the square punch maker, their pins were attached to the hinge with an extra bracing 'block' soldered under the elbow of the pin,also the profile of the pin tends to be more oval than this one and like a sword at the point end. The hinge on this is unguarded compared with most silver Junckers that have a guard/cover over the hinge block,this type is more often seen on Junckers that are 1. unmarked and 2. non-silver (buntmetal) . I say more often but not always as there are,as always , exceptions ! The front details conform with Juncker details as does the reverse plate so we must assume it is a Juncker product in silver with a cheaper style pin set up. As stated , probably sold through anon Juncker outlet,hence the 800 marking only.Ferg

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          Steve and Ferg - I really appreciate the replies. Indeed, it is a puzzling piece but shares the traits of originals. I typically don't study the physical features of badges but these aviation awards are quite interesting.

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