Wagner PLM?

[amiklic1]

Hi!
Any thoughts about this one?
Fake or not?

[amiklic1]

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[amiklic1]

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[Zepenthusiast]

Hi Amiklic1,

From what what one can determine from a photograph, it looks correct to be a solid silver Wagner. (Compare with any of same in Prussian Blue, for specific details--I'm speaking as a student of this subject, not as an expert.)

Is it being sold?

Best regards,

Jim

[streptile]

Tthere is something odd about the "W" mark. Might be the photos.

[lewjian]

Not an award piece, more like another Spanish fake from Cejalvo, nice place holder though.

[streptile]

Definitely not a Spanish Fake or a Cejalvo piece in my opinion. Either a late award piece or a late Zweitstück or a very good fake of an entirely new generation. Something to be judged in-hand perhaps. Oaks are also good.

[Bobbylee]

I've seen two of these in the past 2 years. Fake. I saw another with "WB" "800" on the cross it even had the chiseled letters and was silver gilt. They make good for display only IMO.

[Zepenthusiast]

There are indeed some scary fakes showing up, but this is either the real thing or was made directly from an original. If the latter, someone knows how to do a very credible job mimicking Wagner enamel.



On the left, page 304, Prussian Blue, attributed PlM of Lt. Col. Bohm (May 1918). Way too many areas of correspondence in the eagles to be coincidental.
The late war Wagner suffered from die wear and likely pressure to finish them...

(The Bohm PlM has a somewhat freaky-looking "W" too.)

[magnusmilitaria]

I find it ! thumbsu

Trevor total agree with you . I compare this cross from books,sites, other originals I haved in hands..and must say that have a great chance too be ok.
Seller write measures,weight, all details..but only what is strange to me is 1 euro auction... !?!?
Normaly more photos and more opinions always welcome !


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[August von Mackensen]

Thats good, look like the seller knows exactly what he is selling

Matt

[Don D.]

Don't post links to active auctions unless the item is a fake.

[morel5000]

EUR 3.220,78

So was this real? Is this the (first) time a real PLM is on ebay? I thought these were in the 15000+ region? Any more comments? Is someone having a right now? I would like that

Best regards,
Michel

[Les]

The late-war solid silver Wagner and Friedlander marked pieces have specific die flaws on the front and reverse sides that are present on ALL originals.

This piece has a specific die flaw on the front that should be there if it was real, but lacks a very large and easily seen flaw on the reverse side that -should- be there. For those of you with good photos of an original solid silver Wagner/FR strike, look at the reverse side where the eagle in the 4 o'clock position joins the two arms of the cross. Then look at the same spot on this piece and you'll see a die flaw that is not easily reproduced by moulding and casting.

IMHO, this piece was not struck from an original die set and not an original wartime piece. It could have been electro-formed using an original piece, and the difficult to reproduce die flaw on the reverse side removed and cleaned up before the piece was made.

I have serious doubts this piece was made before 1945.

Les

[morel5000]

Thank you Les, for your clear explanation.

Kind regards,
Michel