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**gregM** · 08-25-2014, 08:16 PM

very cool

**otter76** · 08-25-2014, 09:44 PM

Maybe research has not been accurate enough. My virtuti pro patria book states Adolf Ritter von Denk was the first awardee, not Wilhelm Ritter von Reitzenstein who was nr.29

**Rangemaster** · 08-31-2014, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by otter76 View Post

Maybe research has not been accurate enough. My virtuti pro patria book states Adolf Ritter von Denk was the first awardee, not Wilhelm Ritter von Reitzenstein who was nr.29

Hello:

The book "Virtuti Pro Patria" lists who was awarded the MMJO in consecutive order. The listing in that book has nothing to do with what the actual number engraved on the inside of the ribbon ring of the awarded piece was for an individual recipient.

So, the two types of numbers are not to be confused (consecutive award number and number engraved on order itself).

Reitzenstein WAS awarded a MMJO RK with the number "1" engraved in the ribbon ring.

A few years ago, all of Ritter von Reitzenstein's MMJO-related items were offered for sale by Hermann Historica (along with a MMJO RK piece with no ribbon ring).

Best regards,

**Andy K.** · 09-01-2014, 07:40 AM

Thanks for the note to Hermann Historica auction house.

The MMJO medal and document group of Ritter Freiherr von Reitzenstein were offered by Hermann Historica in Munich at auction no. 56 on October 2008 (lot no. 643. It was not sold in that auction.

This MMJO was mounted on a medal bar without the ribbon loop with the no. “1”. The MMJO on the medal bar was made of gold and it seems to me based on the style of manufacturing that this MMJO was the official awarded MMJO to Freiherr von Reitzenstein.

The MMJO on the medal bar is not identical to the cased MMJO at eMedals, immediately recognizable on the crown of the order.

Any thoughts or comments?

Andy

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**otter76** · 09-01-2014, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Rangemaster View Post

Hello:

The book "Virtuti Pro Patria" lists who was awarded the MMJO in consecutive order. The listing in that book has nothing to do with what the actual number engraved on the inside of the ribbon ring of the awarded piece was for an individual recipient.

So, the two types of numbers are not to be confused (consecutive award number and number engraved on order itself).

Reitzenstein WAS awarded a MMJO RK with the number "1" engraved in the ribbon ring.

A few years ago, all of Ritter von Reitzenstein's MMJO-related items were offered for sale by Hermann Historica (along with a MMJO RK piece with no ribbon ring).

Best regards,

I appreciate your input. Thanks for stating the proper difference. Cheers,

**gmu** · 07-24-2020, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by Rangemaster View Post

Hello:

The book "Virtuti Pro Patria" lists who was awarded the MMJO in consecutive order. The listing in that book has nothing to do with what the actual number engraved on the inside of the ribbon ring of the awarded piece was for an individual recipient.

So, the two types of numbers are not to be confused (consecutive award number and number engraved on order itself).

Reitzenstein WAS awarded a MMJO RK with the number "1" engraved in the ribbon ring.

A few years ago, all of Ritter von Reitzenstein's MMJO-related items were offered for sale by Hermann Historica (along with a MMJO RK piece with no ribbon ring).

Best regards,

So, is there a list that shows the engraved number in the ring with its corresponding recipient? How do we research a numbered mmjo? I thought "Virtuti pro Patria" showed the engraved numbers..

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