Post-War 1914 EK1 Case?

[Brian R]

Guys - Stephen Previtera calls this case post-war in the revised The Iron Time. Is this definitive or is this just an example found with in a post-war scenario? See the example on page 243 in the book - it is included with a post-war engraved EK (he also shows it on page 236). The one below is just one I saw on the internet...

[Don D.]

I'm not sure how he determined this.

[1933 FORD NUT]

Looks close to me . This one is not in the best shape and it had a rusty KMST " Slider " in it . A regular pinback doesn't fit in it and the Meybauer in the pic obviously does not . I saw one other case like this and it had an 1870 EK1 in it ??? Wonder if the one in your pic is for a slider ? ps I am a customer for a KMST slider to put in this box again . NOT RUSTY though . Thanks . Dave

[1933 FORD NUT]

Couple more looks

[gregM]

Interesting case. We have never seen a cased KMST posted here.

[1933 FORD NUT]

The one at the start of the thread looks to have a purple insert like mine and the EK also looks like it doesn't sit right in there . Same with mine - a KMST slider fits perfectly but a pinback does not even fit down in it . All I can tell you about mine is I bought it with a rusty cored KMST slider in it about 35 years ago and would like to find a decent slider to put back in it . No idea why I saved the beat case but I did and am glad I did !!!!!!!! Dave .

[streptile]

I consider this type of case to be a private purchase postwar case, but this is to my knowledge unproven. I do know it was made in the postwar years, but whether it was also made during the war is unknown to me.

Wernitz has a good section on cases. Some documentation in the Prussian archives reveals that multiple makers were contracted to make cases in the later war years (just one maker supplied initially; these were the brown leather or leatherette cases with purple inserts and a gold EK imprint on the lid). As far as I know, though, no one knows precisely which case types were official later issue types during the war, and which were private purchase cases.

I've seen so many AWS EKs for sale in these cases over the years that I suspect they were either for sale at the AWS shops, or that AWS private purchase EKs were sold in them. Again, this is speculation.

[1933 FORD NUT]

Couple more pics with gregM's KMST slider in it . We are a whopping 8 miles apart !!!!!!! Small world sometimes . He has much better camera stuff so another photo op will be in order but here's a couple and it fit perfectly . Back when I had the rusty slider someone told me it was a jewelers copy ? Like Streptile posted I have always thought these were post-war . BTW the slider that used to live in this was not as NICE as his and I hope my drool doesn't hurt his !!!!!!!!! Do want to buy a good one - PLEASE

[gregM]

Dave, it was nice meeting you. I was happy to help out.
IMO the bottom insert of the case was made to fit the KMST cross.
It was a perfect fit for the slide and it does not appear to be an alteration
or modification of one for a standard pin back.

About the drool-------------------------it cleans off.

[1933 FORD NUT]

Greg , Pleasure was mine and thanks for letting me see a really NICE slider . I'll get with you so better pics can be had . Thanks again . Dave

[Brian R]

I consider this type of case to be a private purchase postwar case, but this is to my knowledge unproven. I do know it was made in the postwar years, but whether it was also made during the war is unknown to me.

Wernitz has a good section on cases. Some documentation in the Prussian archives reveals that multiple makers were contracted to make cases in the later war years (just one maker supplied initially; these were the brown leather or leatherette cases with purple inserts and a gold EK imprint on the lid). As far as I know, though, no one knows precisely which case types were official later issue types during the war, and which were private purchase cases.

Very interesting, Trev and thanks for the response (and thanks to the other guys too). Your first point is interesting in the sense that 1914 EKs are a bit of a mystery. There is such a blurry line between war-time and post-war given how many crosses were awarded into the early 20s. And, I'm sure A LOT of them were produced during the war years.

And the purple case statement is intriguing. I have always thought of them as early cases but I never knew they were the early type and others came later. Very cool.

[Brian R]

I've seen so many AWS EKs for sale in these cases over the years that I suspect they were either for sale at the AWS shops, or that AWS private purchase EKs were sold in them. Again, this is speculation.

Guys check out these from the CD800 thread...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=CD+800

There are two CD800 crosses shown with this case type. One is mine (shown below) and one was posted by Magnus (show below as well). So. it appears that Carl Dillenius could have been using these too. Obviously, two is not proof but it points us in the right direction. Not sure if they are war-time or post.

[gregM]

I was always told that the earliest boxes had the "Nail head" style
push pin.

[Jelle M.]

I believe and accept these Bavarian 'Rautenmünster' cases as totally wartime.
I encountered them many times before with wartime crosses, some of them coming
straight from private. I have no reason to doubt on these.

[schönbeck]

I too have had many of these fish pattern cases. All from private sources