Please discuss these: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=751863
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I was coming here to post the exact bars.
I dont like the top one at all as it looks like its at least two bars that have been put together and palmed off as one. I dont like the meldal order,and the stitching on the reverse is uneven and very different from top to bottom. The EK dosent look right either
The second one also has incorrect medal order,the EK looks different than any I have ever seen,the Police Long Service looks different than most and the ribbon fold look different after the FEK -
The second group features a Customs award, not police. It looks okay to me.
MikeComment
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I don't think the order is wrong in the top one. The first four, as combat awards seem more or less in logical order. The Albert Order silver merit cross is non-combatant and therefore does belong after the FEK. The TR Wehrmacht LS are in the proper order as well. The ribbon folds and stitching on the back are a bit sloppy, but I don't think that's a red flag. Maybe the mounter had a bad day or it was late in the day, or whatever.
The 2nd one seems fine to me. The mounting and general patina is consistent across the board. The fact that the FEK is 2nd is not unusual. At the time, as an honor decoration for the entire war, it ranked quite highly and you often see it before war merit medals and even crosses.
Admittedly, I'm not a bar collector. But, I like both of them, for what it's worth.Comment
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I just don't like the look of the Cross.
Once again, I'm a learner here--- but I don't know, I'm not liking it. It's probably the photo, but seems to have excessive wear on everything raised with exception of the crown.
Then again, if you're to fake a bar, why fake an EK2? They're so plentiful and I'm happy to be wrong, in fact I'd prefer it.
Cheers,
JamieLast edited by muzrub; 08-02-2014, 04:45 AM.Comment
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The Ek is not fake. It's a one piece die struck piece either
by Otto Schickle or Petz & Lorenz.
a couple examples----
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...highlight=petzComment
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The Albert Cross on the first bar is wrong, the ribbon indicates a missing long service award from saxony. It looks a good bar to me.
As per the second bar, I have never seen that type of swords on dat on the coburg medal before, but it could be a private purchase.Comment
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I don't think that is a Saxon LS ribbon. The middle stripe you see above where the cross is sewn is just the ribbon fold, I think.Originally posted by Konigtiger View PostComment
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I have not seen many on bars (i don't collect bars) but these
one piece crosses are not rare.
Do a search on Otto Schickle or Petz & Lorenz and you will find
several threads showing these crosses.Comment
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Both EK2s are very common originals.Best regards,
Streptile
Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)Comment
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Thanks for the lead.Originally posted by gregM View Post
I done a google search too, I know what to look for now.
Thanks again, the learning continues.
Cheers,
Jamie.Comment
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As the fellow who has listed the bars I thank all of you for your comments. Both bars have been in my collection for over 30 years and have not been altered.
Best regards,
BobbyleeComment
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As an after thought I recommend you go the Hessenthal und Schreiber book for information on the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha medal. The 1914 bar with swords was the first type awarded and lasted only until the 1914/15 bars were issued a few months later.
As to the Albert Cross - that ribbon would not be for a long service award as the bearer already mounted the two Third Reich service awards and German protocol only allowed two such awards per bar.
best regards,
BobbyleeComment
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