1870 Wagner 1st class

[Montgomery Burns]

thank you streptile fore the pictures and explanation ,,
that copy is a cunning result of a good copier

only the text of Wernits book under the picture states
that the pin has probably being replaced and its also not made from silver . (raising my eyebrow mediately )


second
I thought I am familiar with all pin's for the Wagner crosses of 1870 ..(so far )
this one was not the one I seen used by Wagner until Wernits book.( and on the fake )

therefor I figured it must be a fake pin replacement.
can you follow me ??


regards kay

[streptile]

I thought I am familiar with all pin's for the Wagner crosses of 1870 ..(so far )
this one was not the one I seen used by Wagner until Wernits book.( and on the fake )
therefor I figured it must be a fake pin replacement.
can you follow me ??

Yes, I follow you. And you may be correct because really we are both guessing at the answer.

[Montgomery Burns]

tja ,

I don't know if Guessing is the right word to what we are doing .
so far we have not guest but have real items who show...........

a unknown Wagner ( non silver) replacement pin,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, on a original silver content marked cross.
an the equal to that pin,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,on a known fake .

Hmmmmm ,,,,,,that is no guess ,,,,,that is a very good reason to investigate deeper in to it .







regards kay

[ww1czechlegion]

Looks like 2-Different Individuals got suckered into buying both pieces.

I'm guessing that greed got the better of both buyers, thinking they were getting rare "bargains". $1,200.00 and $1,500.00 Respectively. That's a lot of money for junk. I wonder how long it will be before the buyers realize their mistakes?

Best Regards,

Alan

[Montgomery Burns]

well ,,you dont know if the dealer itself and its friends took care of that price ..

knowing the ebay habits,,,,its a smelly deal .


Second ,,,,

After reading throe what we here discussed ,,,
the ebay Wagner is a 100% proven fake .

the Wagner in Wernitzes book is a no go for sure ,,until farther research is revealed.
As the pin can not be identified and cataloged as original Wagner pin

these conclusions are not based on guesses .

they are money preserving percussion .

regards kay

[Elmar Lang]

Looking at the page's scan from the book, it's clearly pointed out that the pin on Kaiser Wilhelm's EK-I was changed.

E.L.

[Montgomery Burns]

Looking at the page's scan from the book, it's clearly pointed out that the pin on Kaiser Wilhelm's EK-I was changed.

E.L.

yes you did ,,,,,,,


regards kay